Jellybean Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Hey I have a 10.5 width wheel with a 25mm spacer, 275 & 285 widths are ideal width's I went from 275 tyre to a 285 tyre for more rim protection , but now she rubs on harsh bumps I didnt think the width would be that great of a difference What are my options other than buying another two new 275 tyres , drop to a 15mm spacer? I was thinking with a 15mm spacer you are moving the width under the arch, but can the it handle moving it closer to the inner arch wall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 You've already given yourself the answer, thinner tyres or smaller/no spacers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 You could get the spacers you have machined down, pretty easy to do on a normal toolroom lathe and take about 30 mins to a guy who knows what he's doing, if that !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Could roll your arches a bit. Will give done extra room Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mark Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 You'd only need a 5mm thinner spacer, not 10mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted November 16, 2013 Author Share Posted November 16, 2013 Thanks! I will try see if a 20mm spacer is around to mock up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 After some more investigation, it is only the passenger side rubbing (tyre angle and load on the Suspension dependent) Looking at her from the rear, the camber angles are different on both sides , the top of the drivers side tyre tucks in about 1-2 mm into the arch as opposed to the top of the passenger side tyre. This is why it is rubbing on the passenger side A 20 mm spacer will push the wheel too far in , would it be possible to fix this with an alignment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) If it looks different then the next step is to get it on a laser tracking machine and see what the numbers are. Dialing in more camber to get incorrect wheel offsets etc to fit isn't really the best way to fix the problem, it could even be there's too much camber on the side that doesn't catch in which case you'll need thinner spacers or as i said machine down the ones you have Edited November 17, 2013 by Dnk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 If it looks different then the next step is to get it on a laser tracking machine and see what the numbers are. Dialing in more camber to get incorrect wheel offsets etc to fit isn't really the best way to fix the problem, it could even be there's too much camber on the side that doesn't catch in which case you'll need thinner spacers or as i said machine down the ones you have Thanks Dunk, She only got aligned about 2 weeks ago so hopefully can keep her in the green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 So they either got it wrong or its moved Did you get the figures they set the car too ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 So they either got it wrong or its moved Did you get the figures they set the car too ? Hang on I have a print out somewhere, it was set to Toyota Supra OEM, what the machine had Taught it was strange alright the two sides are different, I taught maybe it was setup that way to counter the camber in the road; I only drove the car about 80-120 miles since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 remove the spacers ? i think it makes a difference with the brand of tyres used, some have a bit more radius on the edge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 I need new Driverside, camber adjuster for the lower arm; it just spins; had to take the weight off the suspension to adjust it; getting new ones this week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I know its in tolerance but you have half a degree difference on the front camber, i'd want it nearer than that if it were my car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) I know its in tolerance but you have half a degree difference on the front camber, i'd want it nearer than that if it were my car. I need to replace the Driverside camber adjuster for the lower arm; it is FUBAR Just ordered one up and will head back down for another alignment Out of curiosity, on the Toyotdiy Toyota parts list , it identifes the part as RH and LH ; what corresponds to the drivers side? LH or RH, is it taking the perspective of looking at the car head-on or from the rear? Edited November 18, 2013 by Jellybean (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) What do you mean it just spins, this is what they do and as they rotate the eccentric washer pushes against a raised part on the subframe which moves the arm in or out. Edited November 18, 2013 by Dnk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 What do you mean it just spins, this is what they do and as they rotate the eccentric washer pushes against a raised part on the subframe which moves the arm in or out. When it gets to a certain load , the Adjuster will not adjust any further; it is like the bolt is threaded ; so we could only get to X degree with the weight of the car on the Suspension, taking the weight off the car we could get one or two more turns on it The thing is FUBAR, my explanation is not the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) Sorry mate i'm not quite getting what you mean. You can only get so much movement either way due to the washer being eccentric, you can turn it and turn it and it won't make any difference. This one is on its max setting pushing the arm out as far as it will go, if you rotate this 180 degrees or half a turn it will pull the arm in as far as it will go. Edited November 18, 2013 by Dnk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 Hey Dunk Yeah that's the thing, on the drivers side we cannot get the full scale of movement, we cannot get it to adjust to its Max setting. In comparison to the passenger side we are not able to get the same scale of measurement from the drivers side, I would put it down to wear and tear; on the car now over 20 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 These adjusters don't really wear out as they only move once when being adjusted then are locked up solid for long periods of time. They seize up though, can you rotate yours all the way round in a full circle ? If not it could be seized inside the bush and the bush rubber could be torn, if it is you'll need a new arm as well as new adjusters. On the front bottom arms the two adjusters adjust the camber and the caster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 We cannot rotate it all the way around, just seems to seize up; i had two separate garages look at it and they both said it is the adjuster; I got the Super pro front bushes on there about 5 years ago ; I hope it is just the Cam adjuster the lower arm is $$$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 If you have already changed the bushes from o/e to super pro then it wont be the adjusters seized in the o/e bush which is what i suffered with my car which tore the rubber bush as its and all in one bush I don't get why it wont rotate all the way round or undo the eccentric adjuster and knock it out of the bush, the only thing it can seize in is the bush but i thought the super pros used separate inner sleeves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 If you have already changed the bushes from o/e to super pro then it wont be the adjusters seized in the o/e bush which is what i suffered with my car which tore the rubber bush as its and all in one bush I don't get why it wont rotate all the way round or undo the eccentric adjuster and knock it out of the bush, the only thing it can seize in is the bush but i thought the super pros used separate inner sleeves Thanks for all the detail I am not too sure ,Its 15 euro for the adjuster; so will go prepared; it is what Wez wants me to replace. As far as I know the Super Pro have 2 different bushes for the Supra, one normal or to OEM spec and a 2nd with camber adjustment; you can choose between the two versions based on your needs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) Good luck Thanks! This year is an expensive year, Diff crown and pinion bearing,Diff mount bushes need to be done too, Radiator last month too, Camber or lower arm this month! I am slowly rebuilding a Supra lol will let you know what it is, I am curious now ! MOT (NCT Ireland) on Wednesday too Edited November 18, 2013 by Jellybean (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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