SkydiveMacca Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Car is a 1994, GZ TT, J spec that i've owned for a few months now and it hasn't missed a beat. This morning, I turned the key, nothing. Turned it again and it fired without issue. Guessed it must have the immob kicking in. Later in the morning, went to go out again and the following happened: Turned the key, heard the fuel pump, turned all the way round and nothing. Not like a flat battery nothing as the radio, lights and and fans were are still fine. Turned all the electrics off, and tried again. Fuel pump noise, and again, nothing. No clicking, no turning over, no firing, nothing. Turned it all off, tried again and it fired as normal first time. Drove out for lunch, parked, turned the engine off, and tried it immediately to see if it would start. Fired first time, no issue. Tried again, fired no problem. Came back to the car about 2 hours later, and back to the same problem. Took about 10 attempts, but eventually it fired. What's odd, is it's not like it's a dead battery and i'm getting clicks, and it's not the immob as the light is off, there's just nothing, but then when it fires, it's absolutely like it normally would start. There's no issue at all while driving, so don't think it's a filter, or plugs etc as once started, everything seems to work as it should. I've had a look under the bonnet, and I can't see anything that looks out of place. Battery connections are firm and intact. Anyone got any suggestions? Car is my daily, so really need to get it fixed! Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listy Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Starter contacts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Sounds like no power going to the starter. Could a relay be at fault? I'm guessing here sorry I can't be of any real help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkydiveMacca Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 I've read the guides on that, it seems that i'd still get a click while trying to turn over? I'm getting nada. - - - Updated - - - Relay could be possible I guess? It's strange that it's absolutely nothing, then works fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkydiveMacca Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 Is it possible there's an issue with the feed from the ignition barrel? Does the 7.5 amp fuse only juice the starter, or would it also turn on the fuel pump? If it only kicks in the starter, that might be worth investigating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkydiveMacca Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 Have been having a play, and obviously it started first time every time. I had a look at both fuses boxes and things seemed to be seated ok and not blown, however, I noticed this and am concerned by the top fuse. I think it's the alternator one, but doesn't look in good condition? Also, what's the red + bolt for to the right of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkydiveMacca Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share Posted November 5, 2013 Still having problems and need to get it sorted by the weekend as am meant to be going away Are there any safety type features that might be stopping the engine firing? Sensors that might provide some kind of cut out? If the starter contacts were duff, would you hear clicking while it tried to do something? Currently, when you turn the key to position one, everything electrical turns on, including the fuel pump. Turn the key further and I either get absolutely no noise, or one slight crank noise, then nothing. Eventually, when it does crank, it hits first time, like nothing was wrong? Could it be the contacts, or the whole starter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
np89 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 EFI relay? MR2's were wild for doing this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkydiveMacca Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share Posted November 5, 2013 Wouldn't that just stop the fuel? So i'd hear cranking, it just wouldn't fire because of the lack of fuel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 There are 2 EFI relays. It's a good call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkydiveMacca Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share Posted November 5, 2013 Do they not both control fuel? Surely if the fuel wasn't getting there, it will still turnover, just not fire? If it is the relays - where can they be bought from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Ask on here, p.m. Keron or go and see Mr T if you're flush. Here's a pic of the w.d. but you'll find better in the manuals on the home page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkydiveMacca Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share Posted November 5, 2013 Looking at that, it still looks like both relays will only deal with fuelling. Surely a relay that had stopped functioning, stopping fuelling, would still let the engine turn, just not fire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 You've got 4 relays the same, swap em about and see if it makes any difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkydiveMacca Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share Posted November 5, 2013 Will give it a go Also going to order a contacts kit for the starter as reading through that thread seems to sound familiar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkydiveMacca Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share Posted November 5, 2013 Anyone know if this is the right kit for me? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TOYOTA-SUPRA-MK4-JZA80-3-0-inc-TT-TWIN-TURBO-STARTER-MOTOR-SOLENOID-REPAIR-KIT-/251264620513?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3a8089d7e1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondjump Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Starter contacts? +1 I had the same symptoms and starter refurb kit sorted it. Allow an hour to do the job as it is a little awkward bugger to do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2JZ GE W58 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Starter contacts? good call, i had this prob too was just getting a click when turned key instead of cranking. the starter contacts were burned out from previous owner dogging it on bad batteries i would say. stuck in the starter off me spare car and alls well since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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