What Parts Do I Need?

[Guest Roger NE]

Some of you may be aware I've joined this site to get help on fitting a 2JZ-GE in my Mk3 Supra . . . and I appreciate all the advice and parts I've already been offered.

 

What I need to do now is make sure I have sourced all the parts I need to make the engine run !!

 

I obviously have an Engine and all Ancillaries plus Loom and ECU on its way . . . .

 

I know I need the MAP Sensor, and I gather there is a single MAP Controller unit that bolts on the Bulkhead?

 

Also an HT Ignition module (just one unit?)

 

Is there anything else that I need? Is there a Resistor module for the injectors, or anything like that?

[Guest Roger NE]

And for example - what's that thing on the outside of the LHS Strut Mount? (just looking in engine bay photos)

[Ian C]

Might be a resistor pack for the injectors if it's a black ribbed lump of metal. My knowledge of NA specific stuff is limited

[Guest Roger NE]

Just noticed the same unit re-mounted in photos where people have put the 2JZ-GE in other vehicles, so it must be required

 

It's a light grey or silver flat module, I'd guess about 3 inches by 4 inches, with a flying lead going in the short side . . . can anyone tell me what it is? (as I say, on the Mk4 Supra it's mounted on the outside of the LHS Strut top)

 

Also appreciate any other advice on anything I may have missed?

 

There's no kind of Air Flow Meter on the Mk4 N/A engine, is there? (gather it's all done by the MAP sensor, which I now realise is bolted on the actual metal intake casting)

Edited September 4, 2013 by Roger NE (see edit history)

[TheTurtleshead]

The box you're referring too is the igniter… I have a spare PM me if you'd like to buy it!

[Guest Roger NE]

I thought the Igniter is on the RHS of the engine bay? With the HT Lead going to the Distributor? (should be getting one with my Engine)

[TheTurtleshead]

Ahhh you're fitting a GE, the Igniter is on the Left hand (Passenger) Strut top still, on both GE and GTE.

 

You're thinking of the coil.

[Guest Roger NE]

Oh right . . . I thought the electronics was all in with the one unit that I guess is just the HT Coil . . . need to make sure I get that too then ! (it may be coming with the engine, as I asked for the Igniter)

 

So can anyone tell me if there is anything else I haven't thought of?

 

Is it correct that the MAP Controller is a separate module that bolts onto the bulkhead below the windscreen? What does it look like?

Edited September 4, 2013 by Roger NE (see edit history)

[Guest Roger NE]

Can nobody answer my question about what the MAP Controller is like and where it is located?

 

And whether there's any other external parts I have missed that are required to make the engine run?

[TheTurtleshead]

There's a little tiny ( One Vacuum Nipple) Vacuum/map sensory thingy on the baulkhead that you need for it to run. There's no 'controller' as such, the ECU takes care of that.

 

- - - Updated - - -

 

It's a little black box with a plug on one end and a vacuum nipple on the other.

[David P]

You need a coil, ignitor and MAP sensor, I have these if you need?

[Guest Roger NE]

Thanks guys . . . .

 

I'm hopefully getting most of the bits I need with the engine . . . but wanted to know what the MAP sensor box looks like (so I can identify if I've got one when the engine arrives!)

 

So where does the Vac line from this box actually go on the engine? (can't seem to find it on any of the diagrams I have got)

[TT Paul]

seems like a lot of work ahead.. hope it comes off . plans for a na/t later:D

[David P]

The vac line is about 6" long and connects to an anti pulse module on the manifold.

 

When your bits turn up you'll see where they go.

[Guest Roger NE]

Many thanks guys . . . .

 

Well I've had to source lots special parts, some from the USA, like Mk3 Supra 1JZ Engine Brackets, and adaptor pipes for the PAS and Oil Pressure Gauge . . . but the plan is to have everything together before I start. I'm hoping we can get the 7M engine out and the 2JZ in and the gearbox all bolted up in a day (as I have a guy coming to help me who has more experience than me - I've done most jobs on the car, but never actually taken an engine out before, and these are BIG!)

 

Then over the following days I'll be consulting all the Research Notes I've made, connecting everything up to make it run ! (but I have no doubt I'll be back on here if it won't start!)

 

And no, not interested in a Turbo . . . I deliberately chose an N/A when I bought my Mk3 14 years . . . . I tend to drive way too fast as it is, so the last thing I want is a Turbocharger! (and to be honest I don't really like them either - if I wanted more power I'd go for a bigger engine)

 

Photos of it HERE if you're interested

Edited September 5, 2013 by Roger NE (see edit history)

[theredone]

Im looking for a turbo kit for my na standard na 2jz engine arent fast at all

My old glanza would have destroyed it! However im looking for around 400 bhp

[Guest Roger NE]

I don't know where you guys get to use all that power (unless you go on a racetrack) . . .

 

My car will happily do 140mph, so I have enough trouble sticking to the speed limits as it is! (and my license is precious to me) So it seems totally pointless

[Guest Roger NE]

Anyway, hope somebody can answer my other thread about the PAS Idle Up system

[David P]

Here you go Roger, fill yer boots.

 

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?153102-Your-1JZ-GTE-And-2JZ-GTE-Swap-Guide-For-Dummies

 

This link has been lurking in my Labyrinth and I'd forgotten it was there, rediscovered by chance during maintenance.

Edited November 30, 2013 by David P (see edit history)

[Guest Roger NE]

Many thanks David - hadn't seen that before (as it was posted AFTER I started searching for info)

 

However, most of the things in that article I have already sussed out . . . and a lot don't apply to the non-turbo engines.

 

One thing he mentions that I'm confused about is using Mk4 Supra Engine Mounts - he says the later ones can be used, but the earlier ones are too tall to use on the Mk3.

 

Is that right? Do Mk4 Supras use two different ones - and if so, what is the year change? (the 2JZ-GE I have is 1995, and I was hoping to use the engine mounts from that with the special engine brackets to make it fit a Mk3)

 

Hope someone can answer that for me . . .

Edited November 30, 2013 by Roger NE (see edit history)

[David P]

Answering questions before they're asked is a challenge, but in my defence, I found that gem of information some time ago and had linked it to the word "many" in the Project section of my Labyrinth, then forgot all about it because I've had more poignant things to remember.

 

Any road up, now armed with that information, any differences between GE & GTE are all recorded on here.

 

The brackets and mounts paired, are the exact same height/length, yet you could alter the height of the engine by mixing and matching components, but please note that the smaller facelift mounts are pants.

 

 

Facelift mounts; large bracket small mount

 

 

Pre Facelift mounts; small bracket large mount

 

Edited November 30, 2013 by David P (see edit history)

[Guest Roger NE]

Well then only the FACELIFT Mk4 mounts will fit the Mk3 . . . why do you say they're bad?

 

My engine (being from a 1995 car) came with the Tall Mounts/Short brackets . . . so they're no good. (maybe I can find someone who'd like to swap?!)

[David P]

Facelift engine mount failure is endemic and most original units have passed their best before date, if you must use the smaller mounts your choice is new O.E. or aftermarket.

 

You could try for a swap, it's a very good deal for someone, whether they would have any life left in them or not is another matter.

Edited November 30, 2013 by David P (see edit history)

[Guest Roger NE]

Well I could just use the Mk 3 ones on my car . . . they haven't broken, but they are 23 years old, so figured I might be better off using some newer ones from a Mk 4 !

 

(Sadly I can't afford any new ones as I'm on a very tight budget for this engine swap, but someone has kindly agreed a straight swap for the pre-facelift mounts and brackets I have that came with the engine)