Steve A Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Ok after reading a good few pages on here I'm still stuck in this. Been working on the engine bay the past week (new intake manifold and y pipe and replacing old cam cover gaskets). As well as a bit of tidying and cleaning of various plastic covers etc. got it all back together and started car. Car had not moved in 2 months before this so battery was very low on power, but the car started all was fine just a small bit of smoke from the manifold (bit if oil had dripped on it from cleaning the leaking gaskets) all was good until it suddenly just cut out, car was low on fuel so I left it until today and put in 6 litres of fuel assuming this was the issue. Now car turns over but will not start. All fuses are fine, no warning lights, fuel pump is working (can hear it) everything electrical works. Only odd thing is what sounds like air escaping when u give up trying to turn it over I've checked all hoses and all seem to be connected. Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispot Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 have a check to see if its sparking, did you block the intake with a rag to stop dirt getting in? have someone turn over the car whist you listen for the air leak, it could be the brake servo leaking causing the noise but it would not stop the car from starting, good luck, let us know what you find. regards chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve A Posted August 22, 2013 Author Share Posted August 22, 2013 Right still is not starting so am stripping it all back and checking everything. First Problem is the spark plugs are the wrong ones ngk bcpr6ey isn't correct for a NA if I've read the FAQ correctly so will be ordering new ones. Could this be the problem? Will this have done any damage? Picture of one of the plugs should they look like this or is this a particularly bad one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Could this be the problem? Will this have done any damage? Very unlikely, the worst that would happen is a misfire. In regard to your original problem, it could be a connection loose from when you were cleaning up the bay, make sure all the plugs are firmly in place and if possible, do a check to make sure the spark plugs are actually sparking(you may need to borrow the tool from a mechanic friend, if you have one?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve A Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 right as i has a bit of spare time i did a bit of work on why the car was lacking any error codes. Turns out it does have an error code code 14 which is an ignition issue. I would assume this would stop it starting?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispot Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 yes it would, check the ignition amp and ecu plugs for bad connections, look through the wiring manual to check continuity of the wiring if needed. I take that you checked it was not sparking? do a search on here, I think that some people have had the ignition play up after jump starting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve A Posted August 24, 2013 Author Share Posted August 24, 2013 Today's find . Really hoping this has to be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve A Posted September 5, 2013 Author Share Posted September 5, 2013 Well New Dizzy cap, new rotor arm,new coil to dizzy lead, new spark plugs, also tested with new coil and igniter. Still no change . Everything is connected has at least 18 litres of fuel. Will upload a video in a second but I am completely out of ideas . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve A Posted September 5, 2013 Author Share Posted September 5, 2013 (edited) http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Sp00ky54/media/04694554-9D6D-46BB-9EE8-7E991C1E1479-8035-000003DACF2CBCEB_zps02649227.mp4.html Edited September 5, 2013 by Steve A (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Change fuel filter before trying more expensive things. It might be blocked completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve A Posted September 5, 2013 Author Share Posted September 5, 2013 Hmmm Not sure I like the idea of changing that myself think I'm going to have to call somebody out to have a look . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve A Posted September 5, 2013 Author Share Posted September 5, 2013 (edited) Just to confirm are NA and TT fuel filters are the same? Edited September 5, 2013 by Steve A (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve A Posted September 6, 2013 Author Share Posted September 6, 2013 Ok new fuel filter bought will hopefully be able to fit it without destroying my drive . Do I have to disconnect the fuel pump or can it be done by a fuse. Seems to be a lot of discussion but couldn't find an exact answer. Only reason I ask is it will save me a lot of hassle not having to remove the boot build. If filter isn't the answer anybody got any suggestions on what next to look at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 (edited) change of fuel filter is very straight forward job, just put some container to catch fuel. it won't leak a lot, but it will sip a bit. You can use small caps from new filter to plug this leak :-) you do not have to disconnect fuel pump, make sure you put copper seal ring back in place before screwing fuel bolt into filter Edited September 7, 2013 by Konrad (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispot Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Well New Dizzy cap, new rotor arm,new coil to dizzy lead, new spark plugs, also tested with new coil and igniter. Still no change . Everything is connected has at least 18 litres of fuel. Will upload a video in a second but I am completely out of ideas . One more time. Is it sparking,? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve A Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 One more time. Is it sparking,? Apologies I thought I had answered that. No there is no spark still . Fuel filter hasn't been replaced yet but I'm sure fuel is getting through as u can smell it on the plugs I'm now completely out of ideas now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevins Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Check the igniter pack mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve A Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 Check the igniter pack mate. Fitted a known working one didn't help . Tested a known working ecu as well and again hasn't helped . Oddly though car doesn't even crank over now just clicks Any more ideas are welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve A Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 Been a bit to busy to look at this but having done a lot of reading on starting issues I'm starting to wonder if it could be the starter motor? Got 4 days off coming up so going to try and get this finally sorted so any more ideas would be useful . Did try and get a mobile mechanic out but local ones didn't want to even look . any local guys who know way around the engine bored next weekend and want to give a hand pizzas on me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest suprageek Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Sounds like what my car was doing, there was no spark, the car was just cranking but wouldn't start, bought an igniter, no joy, new plugs no joy, turned out the trigger wheel had came off the back of the crank timing pulley and hit the crank position sensor, welded the wheel back on and changed the crank position sensor car fired up first time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve A Posted November 1, 2013 Author Share Posted November 1, 2013 Sounds like what my car was doing, there was no spark, the car was just cranking but wouldn't start, bought an igniter, no joy, new plugs no joy, turned out the trigger wheel had came off the back of the crank timing pulley and hit the crank position sensor, welded the wheel back on and changed the crank position sensor car fired up first time! Did read your thread but mine being an NA I don't think it has a CPS etc so can't be the same sadly . Side note has anybody used ngk ignition leads before or should I just go to Toyota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve A Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 Did read your thread but mine being an NA I don't think it has a CPS etc so can't be the same sadly . Side note has anybody used ngk ignition leads before or should I just go to Toyota. Still stuck on my driveway . Parts tried so far New Leads New Plugs New Coil Lead New Cap New Rotor Arm ECU Coil Ignitor Everything else comes on and works when I turn the key so assuming battery is ok Car now cranks over again small wiring issue resolved. Can smell fuel and the hear the pump working. Huge bag of haribo for the person who works it out . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Good God, what a ludicrous way to diagnose, buying all that stuff just to see if it'll start!! It's easy, REALLY easy. Is there a spark if you wedge the disi end of the lead from the coil to the disi about 10mm from an earth point and turn the engine on the starter, with a fully charged battery? If not you need to see if the coil is getting about 12 volts to one side of it with the ignition on. Then you need to see if the disi is turning the ignitor box on and off and the ignitor is turning the coil on and off. See if there's a spark from the coil lead first. Best done in dim light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger NE Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Good God, what a ludicrous way to diagnose, buying all that stuff just to see if it'll start!! Agreed ! (that's the kind of thing many garages do, mind . . . and give you the bill !!) As Chris says, you need to do some checks . . . with a Multimeter . . if you don't have one, buy one off ebay for £5 ! (I'd recommend an Analogue one, as you get less misleading readings . . plus you can see if anything is varying) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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