supraGZaerotop Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Car is soon going in for the geo to be sorted, just wondering what these cars are like in general for seized cam adjusters etc, should i wire brush all the fixing and slam them with wd40? Its an import 100,000 miles, spent most of its life in a garage id say so the under neath is really good apart from surface rust on all the arms/bolts etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) Your wasting your time with WD40, a good penetrating spray might help but if their seized properly then the only route is to cut them off and replace them. When they seize inside the sleeve in the bush it tends to tear the bush apart, even if the bush is okay it can be very hard even when the arm is off the car to get the shaft of the eccentric adjuster out of the bush, then your left with either getting new suspension arms or poly bushing your arms and new eccentric adjusters which ever way you go Edited February 20, 2013 by Dnk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supraGZaerotop Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 thanks for that, so how likely is it do you think that any of the adjusters are seized?Your wasting your time with WD40, a good penetrating spray might help but if their seized properly then the only route is to cut them off and replace them. When they seize inside the sleeve in the bush it tends to tear the bush apart, even if the bush is okay it can be very hard even when the arm is off the car to get the shaft of the eccentric adjuster out of the bush, then your left with either getting new suspension arms or poly bushing your arms and new eccentric adjusters which ever way you go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus GTE Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Mine were seized Solid at 90,000 miles. Took them half a day to get them off. Thankfully they didn't need to cut them and after some brute force and ignorance with a persuader bar they came off. So some prep with a spray might help (can't hurt) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supraGZaerotop Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 youre right, il wirebrush them and give them a good spray, whats the best spray to use?Mine were seized Solid at 90,000 miles. Took them half a day to get them off. Thankfully they didn't need to cut them and after some brute force and ignorance with a persuader bar they came off. So some prep with a spray might help (can't hurt) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 thanks for that, so how likely is it do you think that any of the adjusters are seized? Well there's 8 eccentric adjusters so you'll be doing well if all of them are okay. Get some good penetrating spray and give them a soak. I would after a while of them being sprayed get it on a ramp and tippex mark the position of each adjuster cam and then get the breaker bar out and see if they move, if they rotate i'd be inclined to take each adjuster out and clean it then lube it up and pop it back in place lining the tippex mark up. Then i'd take it for the geo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supraGZaerotop Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 good idea, cheers mate Well there's 8 eccentric adjusters so you'll be doing well if all of them are okay. Get some good penetrating spray and give them a soak. I would after a while of them being sprayed get it on a ramp and tippex mark the position of each adjuster cam and then get the breaker bar out and see if they move, if they rotate i'd be inclined to take each adjuster out and clean it then lube it up and pop it back in place lining the tippex mark up. Then i'd take it for the geo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Q Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Well there's 8 eccentric adjusters so you'll be doing well if all of them are okay. Get some good penetrating spray and give them a soak. I would after a while of them being sprayed get it on a ramp and tippex mark the position of each adjuster cam and then get the breaker bar out and see if they move, if they rotate i'd be inclined to take each adjuster out and clean it then lube it up and pop it back in place lining the tippex mark up. Then i'd take it for the geo thanks for this thread and the advice above. tinkering underneath mine once my daily is sorted so i'll give that a try too- many thanks Dnk and Threadstarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 It would also be a good idea if you can find a small round wire brush that will fit in a drill to clean out the inside of the metal sleeve in the bush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supraGZaerotop Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 great stuff. while the supra's in the garage tomorrow having the arm and shocks fitted il ask my mate to do what he can to prep the adjusters ready. also just booked the car in for friday morning for the geo. person on the phone was very helpful, and said that theyve never been unable to free anything off and have been doing this for years and years, they setup racing cars/ track cars, sounds like the car will be good hands anyway. let you know how i get on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Fingers crossed for you but getting them undone isn't the end of the story, as i said if any are seized and been seized for sometime the bushes could be knackered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashbuster Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 how much roughly are you talking to have all adjusters replaced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supraGZaerotop Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 well ive got a new rear toe arm going on tomorrow, £173 inc adjusters. all the bolts and cams etc for that one arm were £23 , so not mega money id say, but like dnk said there may be bush issues, then that is going cost bucks.how much roughly are you talking to have all adjusters replaced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supraGZaerotop Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 just going to see what happens friday now, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 If the eccentric adjusters come out okay and there not heavily corroded just clean them up apply some lube (copper slip) and re use them. All 8 are going to be over £200 i'd have thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashbuster Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 nice one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supraGZaerotop Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) well got my new bilsteins fitted today along with the new toe arm. fitter said the bolts came out very easy, no problem. on inspection back home the old bolt and toe arm look ok to be honest, strange., im no expert but there appears to be no damage to the bush and the bolt is in really good condition, little bit of surface rust, hardly anything. the play must have been coming from the ball joint, i noticed that its leaking its grease everywhere! alignment tomorrow now, but the car feel so much better already, rear of the car feel much more solid now. Edited February 24, 2013 by supraGZaerotop (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supraGZaerotop Posted February 22, 2013 Author Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) well the geo has been done today, rear of the car was pretty much bang on, front was a mess, had like 7 degrees toe in on the left front and 5 on the right side, he sorted it now, done the camber also. the car does feel alot better but i fancy it can still be better. any ideas, all my arms are sound, new shocks all round really, rears are brand brand new and the fronts are a few years old but done no mileage. i wonder if the front tyres are to blame, been on the car a long time now, maybe 5years, any thoughts Edited February 24, 2013 by supraGZaerotop (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) What were the figures before adjustment ? What are the front/rear camber, toe & caster settings on the car now ? Whats on the front, what is the wear like on them. If the inner edge of the tyre is worn heavily then it will tramline but if you had this much toe in then the outer edges will be worn. Edited February 22, 2013 by Dnk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supraGZaerotop Posted February 22, 2013 Author Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) to be honest im not sure on the exact setting, just said he done the camber i think it was and brung the toe back parallel , to 0 i think from toeing in, there is no wear what so ever on my front tyres, thats what makes it strange, the only thing the front end of my car was doing was when steering on full lock low speeds right hand down out of junctions and out of the garage etc my passenger wheel was kind of skipping and you could feel it big time and its still there? only drove it home and parked it up as i was out all morning and by this point was starving. take it out tomorrow now. Edited March 2, 2013 by supraGZaerotop (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I'd personally want to know the figures of at least where its at now. 12 degrees of total toe in is silly and should have killed the outer edges of your tyres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supraGZaerotop Posted February 22, 2013 Author Share Posted February 22, 2013 i know, hadint tho, unless im getting confused with something else, i dont think so tho. he showed me on the laser gear, 7 out on the left and 5 on the right. god knows. is there any specific figure it should be then? or is it more depending on the car. i know of this other place that use the latest tech. but this guy i took it today just altered it on basic lazer gear, but ive been told hes more old skool and knows his stuff so didint question it, thats why ive got no print out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 On my car i have a total toe in of 7 minutes on the front wheels. There's 60 minutes in each degree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supraGZaerotop Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) thats sound pretty accurate then,. who is the best at the setting up the geo? wales area, south if possible. On my car i have a total toe in of 7 minutes on the front wheels. There's 60 minutes in each degree Edited March 2, 2013 by supraGZaerotop (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 thats sound pretty accurate then,. i think i should have someone else have a look. who is the best at the setting up the geo? wales area, south if possible. Yes its a very accurate thing to do and it doesn't take much to ruin how your car drives and how quickly you wear out your tyres on the front or the rear. No idea regarding where you should go in Wales i'm afraid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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