jagman Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 It sounds like you shorted the dash repeater light circuit , so the fuse holder for the indicator fuse is burnt - that's why you only got 11/12 v and not 12/13 v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev.O Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 The indicator is a pull out relay with three connectors from memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_ufo Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) From what I remember the 3 way connector is for the front fog as well as the side light. It work appear that you have tapped off the front fogs for the LEDs and I would imagine the fog switch is turned on which is why the LED lights are working on what appears to be 'side lights'. When you checked for voltage at the thee pin plug, one is a negative/neutral the other two are both positive (fog and side lights). You will need to keep the black in the same position and move the red probe. This will prove whether or not there is voltage when the side lights are on. Kev Im pretty sure the side lights stay on even with fog on or off... ill confirm tomorrow. The one im trying to pull out is the one that has toyota in blue writing thta cable goes over it...Keron said he had issues with it so I dont feel as bad :-) Edited March 20, 2013 by supra_ufo (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev.O Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 They can be really tight to pull out but they will come. Try and get a flat head screwdriver between the relay and plastic unit and prize the relay out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_ufo Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 I have managed to get the relay out and replace it, and its not fixed the problem, saga continues.... :-( I might just let a pro look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listy Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 If its not the relay, my bet is bulbs with the wrong wattage, or a loose connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_ufo Posted March 22, 2013 Author Share Posted March 22, 2013 Im confident its not the bulbs, gonna let someone loose on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev.O Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Can you confirm that the front indicators are definitely 21watt bulbs and not 5watt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 They were working originally, he had the dash out, then they started messing about, THEN he changed the bulbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listy Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 They were working originally, he had the dash out, then they started messing about, THEN he changed the bulbs. If its just since the dash, then I'd check the plugs. Could be a dry solder joint on a plug, or simply not properly connected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev.O Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 They were working originally, he had the dash out, then they started messing about, THEN he changed the bulbs. Good point, I missed that out of the original post. As Listy said it could be a dry joint as the fuse and relay have been checked/replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottC Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 (edited) Have you checked for pinched wires on the part of the loom that plugs into the hazard switch? Come to think of it the easist thing to do would be to remove all the panels again to check for pinched wires, then unscrew the hazard switch from the dash panel plug it in and retry the indicators. Edited March 23, 2013 by ScottC (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_ufo Posted April 13, 2013 Author Share Posted April 13, 2013 Still not resolved yet, ive not had a lot of time recently but I want the car sorted by the end of this month... I have been told that my head light is wired in incorrectly...this could be the reason why the indicators are flashing quick. Please see picture. At the moment this is how its wired... 1. Side Light (I did this myself because before there were no side lights!!!) This should be the fog... 2. Dipped Head light 3. Full Beam 4. Indicators. Iky came around earlier and said that 4. should be the side lights and the indicators were separate and on the bumper. Since my car has an after-market bumper the indicators must of been removed.. I also thought that only face lift models had indicators on the bumper so never questioned that wiring of the current indicator. I just need to verify that the above is correct as Iky has a facelift so could not compare it, once verified I will go ahead and buy some old bumper indicators / face lift ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev.O Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Correct the pre facelift has separate indicators in the bumper. If those 5w bulbs are your indicators I still think what I wrote in post 33 might be the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT88 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 1. FOG 2. Dipped Head light 3. Full Beam 4 is definitely sidelights. pre facelift looks like this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3472574/IMG_6306.JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_ufo Posted April 13, 2013 Author Share Posted April 13, 2013 Correct the pre facelift has separate indicators in the bumper. If those 5w bulbs are your indicators I still think what I wrote in post 33 might be the issue. Yes mate it uses the same bulb as in the side repeaters (small ones), and not the type that is found in the rear lights such as brake lights. - - - Updated - - - 1. FOG 2. Dipped Head light 3. Full Beam 4 is definitely sidelights. pre facelift looks like this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3472574/IMG_6306.JPG thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev.O Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Yes mate it uses the same bulb as in the side repeaters (small ones), and not the type that is found in the rear lights such as brake lights. Pretty sure the pre face lift indicator bulbs are 21 watts. Might be worth looking at this first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT88 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Just confirmed on my old pre-FL indicators. They are 21W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev.O Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) Summarise, First car mod I did was changing the side indicators for clear ones and orange bulbs, i tested it then and they worked fine Then after that came out the dashboard for vinyl and when i put it all back together I noticed the quick flash. All connections are properly in... I replaced all bulbs afterwards but still the same issue... I need to replace the indicator fuse but I'm having trouble taking it off. :-S How did you test the indicators worked ok? Did you use the hazard button on test both sides individually? Also do you still have the old wiring looms? If so you could easily test the above theory out pretty easily. Edited April 13, 2013 by Kev.O (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaan W Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 My fog lights come on as sidel ights for some reason, when I tracked the wiring back they have been wired through a relay and to the lighting circuit for the cig lighter and heater controls It passed an mot but when I re wire these up to actually perform as fog lights do I wire the 2 tiny bulbs up for side lights that sit next to the indicators? Sorry for hijacking your thread btw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_ufo Posted April 13, 2013 Author Share Posted April 13, 2013 How did you test the indicators worked ok? Did you use the hazard button on test both sides individually? Also do you still have the old wiring looms? If so you could easily test the above theory out pretty easily. I think I used the hazards mate, so I can not confirm that the indicators worked as I used the hazard and there on a diff relay :-( I think I will edit that lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev.O Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 My fog lights come on as sidel ights for some reason, when I tracked the wiring back they have been wired through a relay and to the lighting circuit for the cig lighter and heater controls It passed an mot but when I re wire these up to actually perform as fog lights do I wire the 2 tiny bulbs up for side lights that sit next to the indicators? Sorry for hijacking your thread btw Correct though you can also wire them into the original side light slot in the main headlight if you wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaan W Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Correct God knows why and who would wire them up like this, looks awfull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev.O Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 I think I used the hazards mate, so I can not confirm that the indicators worked as I used the hazard and there on a diff relay :-( I think I will edit that lol Now we are getting somewhere I'm pretty sure this is what the issue is. You need to fit 21watt bulbs or use resistors to stop the flasher unit thinking there is a bulb out. Unfortunately the larger bulbs probably won't fit in the main headlights and so you will need to fit separate indicator units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_ufo Posted April 13, 2013 Author Share Posted April 13, 2013 Just confirmed on my old pre-FL indicators. They are 21W. Can anyone get me a pic of the bulb? is it the large type found in the rear brake and indicator lights? Rather than me messing around with the wiring, is it possible to change the bulb in 4. so its a 21W of the same type of bulb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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