2jz.jjk Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Hey guys, Need advice and help trying to remove the fill plug out so i could change transmission fluid. Used this guide to assist. Bolt wont budge and i dont want to damage the thread anymore i thought i was moving it but in fact damaging!! i had everything set up but couldnt get that damn bolt off!!! http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?585966-Manual-transmission-Oil-drain-fill-*pics* Luckily i read to remove the top first i can't fit my ratchet in and also i tried using a 17mm c spanner which was a bad idea!! Am i doing something wrong. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I remember having to use a long bar and actually having to jack that up (very carefully) from underneath... can you get it to somewhere with a lift? When you say you thought it moved but was in damaging it, do you meant it's slightly rounded the bolt or that you fear it may have started to twist/shear the actual bolt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 From the location of the bolt, all the usual tricks (hammering on a smaller socket, welding on a metal bar etc) won't be possible due to access issues. You might have to drop the box out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Possibly some localised heat using something like the little snap on blow torches then try to undo it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethr Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Breaker bar and a wall-drive socket? Wall-drive ring spanner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2jz.jjk Posted January 22, 2013 Author Share Posted January 22, 2013 Hey guys, i got a friend to come help me and we both stressed together in frustration. i tried everything you guys mentioned expect taking the transmission out, of course that is gonna be a pain in the arse... Anyone know how much it would cost for a mechanic just to take the bolt out roughly??? with specialized tools or whatever is required to get it on a hoist and removing it. The thread is gonee now fkddd. we tried for like 3 hours to get this off with propane gun, crow links, clamps slight taps with hammer, sizel, it wont move at all!!. no matter how soft or hard you rotate the bolt anti clockwise the bolt would be shredded like its aluminum. My friend couldnt believe how tight this bolt was and doesnt understand why they would even tigthen it that hard let alone why its stuck. He had perviously worked as a toyota mechanic. I really thought it wouldnt be soo hard to do but i cant even open this fill plug!!! i bought all the tools required and all and its annoying the crap out of me. i was thinking of just lettting it be till i get my clutched changed or something cause now im wondering how they would do it. to remove the plug anyone know??? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) If the threads in the casing are scrap then its a gearbox out job to fix that i'd have thought. 1 hour on the ramp will soon tell you where your at and to get the gearbox out then back in should be around a couple of hours so shouldn't be crazy money Might have to weld a bar to the filler plug perhaps Edited January 22, 2013 by Dnk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) [ATTACH=CONFIG]163419[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]163420[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]163421[/ATTACH] Hey guys, i got a friend to come help me and we both stressed together in frustration. i tried everything you guys mentioned expect taking the transmission out, of course that is gonna be a pain in the arse... Anyone know how much it would cost for a mechanic just to take the bolt out roughly??? with specialized tools or whatever is required to get it on a hoist and removing it. The thread is gonee now fkddd. we tried for like 3 hours to get this off with propane gun, crow links, clamps slight taps with hammer, sizel, it wont move at all!!. no matter how soft or hard you rotate the bolt anti clockwise the bolt would be shredded like its aluminum. My friend couldnt believe how tight this bolt was and doesnt understand why they would even tigthen it that hard let alone why its stuck. He had perviously worked as a toyota mechanic. I really thought it wouldnt be soo hard to do but i cant even open this fill plug!!! i bought all the tools required and all and its annoying the crap out of me. i was thinking of just lettting it be till i get my clutched changed or something cause now im wondering how they would do it. to remove the plug anyone know??? thanks Did you use Snap~On tools, or cheapo Lidl spanners that are made of chocolate and are always the wrong size? If you'd used a 6 sided socket, I doubt you'd have ended up in this situation. It's doubtful the threads are damaged, but the bolt head's had it. I've got a pair of grips from Snap~On that I call my "get outta sh!t quick" grips. That sort of tool might do it, but as Dnk says, it might need to go up on a lift for an hour or so, and possibly even remove the box. EDIT: You can see from the pictures that the spanner you've used wasn't all the way over the bolt head. There's a 2mm or so gap between the washer part of the bolt and where the damage begins on the head of the bolt. Edited January 22, 2013 by Benjy (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2jz.jjk Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 Did you use Snap~On tools, or cheapo Lidl spanners that are made of chocolate and are always the wrong size? If you'd used a 6 sided socket, I doubt you'd have ended up in this situation. It's doubtful the threads are damaged, but the bolt head's had it. I've got a pair of grips from Snap~On that I call my "get outta sh!t quick" grips. That sort of tool might do it, but as Dnk says, it might need to go up on a lift for an hour or so, and possibly even remove the box. EDIT: You can see from the pictures that the spanner you've used wasn't all the way over the bolt head. There's a 2mm or so gap between the washer part of the bolt and where the damage begins on the head of the bolt. The bolt is alot worst than the picture that was like an hour mark i got over taking photos. We used stanley tools and proshop none of those crap cheap tools. Used 2 spanners to reinforce at one stage but it would move away. first the socket and ratchet wouldnt fit cause of size and postion of where the bolt was then my friend brought over his really awesome tools that you knew weere good and still have no luck it would fit but couldnt get to hold on the bolt and was just damaging it and also using the clamps and hammer just to loosen abit didnt help either. Tried to use smaller size spanners and wd-40 heat had no bloody luck. my friend & i just stood there frustrated and saying WTF is this soooo tight and even if it was rusted or whatever shouldn't be that hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2jz.jjk Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 Breaker bar and a wall-drive socket? Wall-drive ring spanner? tried them initially thought i was moving it but stripping it slowly instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Without taking the box out your options are limited. Can you get an old socket on and weld it? I would try and use this method with heat around the outside. If you think the thread has twisted already then it will be weak and drilling it out will be the only option after it has snapped. H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2jz.jjk Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 Without taking the box out your options are limited. Can you get an old socket on and weld it? I would try and use this method with heat around the outside. If you think the thread has twisted already then it will be weak and drilling it out will be the only option after it has snapped. H. Will give this a go in the next week or so. anyone know the thread of the bolt, im gonna go look for a replacement one. Or should i purchase one from Toyota Dealership? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Will give this a go in the next week or so. anyone know the thread of the bolt, im gonna go look for a replacement one. Or should i purchase one from Toyota Dealership? Toyota should be the place or one of the breakers on here. Keron may know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slutters Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 You should have undone the prop, put the back of the gearbox on a jack and removed the gearbox mount. Then lowered the gearbox on the jack enough for you to get a 6 sided socket on there. The only thing left you can try is doing that and using oxyacetylene, just don't melt a hole in the gearbox... If the 6 sided socket no longer fits, you can either get something like this: http://www.screwfix.com/p/irwin-5-piece-bolt-grip-nut-remover-set/96028?kpid=96028?cm_mmc=Google-_-Product%20Listing%20Ads-_-Sales%20Tracking-_-sales%20tracking%20url&gclid=CNfq2IqgiLUCFW3MtAodVD0AAw Or use a close fitting 12 sided socket and hammer it on, then warm, then use a long bar, don't hammer the bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 A turbo socket might work, space dependant. As above, you might have to drop stuff down to get a bit more access. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew_flux Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 You are going to need a damaged bolt socket or a small sized pipe wrench to get that out in the car. heat will help also. From the pic, I think you would be able to mig a nut to the fill plug for removal. toyota "may" have a new fill plug.but check first incase it gas to come from Japan on back order.(8-12 working days). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott87 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 A set of these will do it. They are called Irwins, or at leas the brand is anyway.... Just hammer it on and it will undo any nut/bolt ive had trouble with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 A set of these will do it. They are called Irwins, or at leas the brand is anyway.... Just hammer it on and it will undo any nut/bolt ive had trouble with. http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/scotiadub/P3180001.jpg They're turbo sockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott87 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 They're turbo sockets. I thought turbo sockets were different to these.... Ah well learn something new :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 At least you didn't do the newbies trick of draining the oil before checking the filler plug will undo.... I have some trcik self tightening wrenches that might undo it, but I am 10,000 miles away! You could get someone to TIG weld a nut on, the heat from the welding will also help free it. people always seem to over tighten these things, they are a taper thread and should NOT be tightened very tight"" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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