mihai Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Double-clutch gearboxes are faster, more efficient and easier to use. In high performance guise they're also very engaging. I do love a manual car, but driving a motor with a decent DCT 'box shifted my perception somewhat. How useless the Double-clutch gearboxes are in the city?? because there you will use the car moust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveR Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 This has just come up on the Toyota Uk Facebook page http://blog.toyota.co.uk/gazoo-racing-and-trd-tease-new-concepts Luuuurve those tail lights! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 CVT transmission is the dream of every F1 engine designer. No mechanical dog engagement and disengagement,with crank shock loads at every change, the engine is permanently at optimum RPM and load. Williams had it about 90% sorted, then it was banned. It may make an engine sound odd, but by shifting a finite number of gears we strive, but fail, to emulate a CVT As auto boxes gain more and more gears, they get closer to CVT, but are still an infinite number less 6, 7 or 8 less than optimal They are technically very good, but in practice for road cars they're awful to drive for the most part. - - - Updated - - - How useless the Double-clutch gearboxes are in the city?? because there you will use the car moust. They're great in the city because you just stick it into full auto mode and then it's point-and-shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westy Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 That's the car I was talking about in my last post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 I totally agree, but find it sad that people are so hung up on numbers. There's a place for automatic and automated manual gear boxes, but there should also be a place for manual gearboxes - the sports car. The auto gearbox in the mkiv Supra is a work of art, but not everyone want an auto, which by the looks of it Toyota realised while developing the MKIV. My main hang up on this subject is Renault - the last bastion of the 'true' hot hatch, has abandoned manual gearboxes No matter what you do to an auto / auto-manual gearbox, you can't replicate the clutch pedal, which is an integral part of the hot hatch experience. Sad times indeed. What is annoying is that because the Americans are demanding more manual box's in sports cars, car like the new M5 that is auto only over here, they can get in manual. Our problem is that we have too many people over here who think that the pinnacle of driving is a white Audi S3 with a DSG box(plus obligatory black wheels) .........Drove an S3 once, horrible overpriced car, rather get a BMW M135. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheefa Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Drove an S3 once, horrible overpriced car, rather get a BMW M135. The M135i is a stonking car. I was considering getting one instead of Supra. The performance is staggering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 The M135i is a stonking car. I was considering getting one instead of Supra. The performance is staggering. I went out in a 135i coupe and although I don't like the 1 series BMW's as they are essentially a Rover, I found it very hard not to like it, the car was lowered on CSL wheels aswell and it did look fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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