Jellybean Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Hey My car came in from Japan with HID's but with the new rules in the test (headlamp cleaning and levelling systems) is it difficult to revert back to OEM to pass thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPG Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Can you not just plug in a set of standard bulbs or is the HID kit hard wired into the loom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Tonytt and Ross C had their MOTs recently and they both passed and run HIDs iirc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 Can you not just plug in a set of standard bulbs or is the HID kit hard wired into the loom? It is the bellof kit so it looks as though it is plug and play but I am not 100% as I dont have another Supra for comparison Hopefully somebody will know if it is just as simple as plug in a set of standard bulbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 Tonytt and Ross C had their MOTs recently and they both passed and run HIDs iirc Are they UK spec Supra's , I know they have at least the headlamp washer as standard Just doing my research incase I fail, I will throw her in as is but just want to be ready From what I am reading it is not getting inforced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Turism0 Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I thought HID's aren't an MOT failure i thought it only came in that they are an advisory however law states that you can't have them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPG Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) There should be a Brown Plug on the end of the wiring loom near the headlight on either side, this is usually where the standard bulb would fit, what you will have it this brown plug and the ballast attached, then from the ballast you will have the HID bulb lead with the bulb at the end going into your headlight. All you need to do is remove the Ballast from the Brown OEM connector and then attach a standard bulf to the brown plug. Hope this makes sense. http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?277991-Group-buy-HID-install-guide bit like this but in reversal Edited October 30, 2012 by SPG (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 There should be a Brown Plug on the end of the wiring loom near the headlight on either side, this is usually where the standard bulb would fit, what you will have it this brown plug and the ballast attached, then from the ballast you will have the HID bulb lead with the bulb at the end going into your headlight. All you need to do is remove the Ballast from the Brown OEM connector and then attach a standard bulf to the brown plug. Hope this makes sense. Thanks , thats great; excatly how mine is setup As I am in Ireland we have the NCT , HID lamp reasons for failure (not too sure how strict they are) 16 Automatic headlamp levelling device not operating or manual headlamp levelling device cannot be operated from driver’s seat. 17 Mandatory headlamp cleaning device not present. 18 Mandatory headlamp cleaning device not operating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Are they UK spec Supra's , I know they have at least the headlamp washer as standard Just doing my research incase I fail, I will throw her in as is but just want to be ready From what I am reading it is not getting inforced They are both imports dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safcdixon Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Mine passed with hIds too aslong as the a at the correct height and working they should be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony tt Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 If the car isn't fitted with headlight levellers from drivers seat how can it be a failure? Headlight cleaning device? So if your car isn't fitted with these as standard it a failure? Am I missing something. The nct is a rip off you don't even get the weeks grace then free retest when you go back you need to pay for the full test again. Rip off republic for sure. Move to the uk bud its far easier. - - - Updated - - - Mine passed with hIds too aslong as the a at the correct height and working they should be fine In the uk yes but the NCT in Ireland is different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 As I am in Ireland we have the NCT , HID lamp reasons for failure (not too sure how strict they are) 16 Automatic headlamp levelling device not operating or manual headlamp levelling device cannot be operated from driver’s seat. 17 Mandatory headlamp cleaning device not present. 18 Mandatory headlamp cleaning device not operating. UK MOT it's not a failure or an advisory to have HIDs with no washers or levelling, but looks like the Ireland test is a fail to not have washers on the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 HIDs will pass an MOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony tt Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Thanks , thats great; excatly how mine is setup As I am in Ireland we have the NCT , HID lamp reasons for failure (not too sure how strict they are) 16 Automatic headlamp levelling device not operating or manual headlamp levelling device cannot be operated from driver’s seat. 17 Mandatory headlamp cleaning device not present.if 18 Mandatory headlamp cleaning device not operating. If its an import supra it won't have headlight cleaners or self levelling adjusters from the drivers seat. If its not fitted as standard it needs to be working for the nct but failing it for not having it is a joke. Does that mean all the shitbox corollas over there all fail on this as well? It's only mandatory if there factory fitted your nct tester is a twat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony tt Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 UK MOT it's not a failure or an advisory to have HIDs with no washers or levelling, but looks like the Ireland test is a fail to not have washers on the car. If that's the case 90% of the cars in the country would be failures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 If that's the case 90% of the cars in the country would be failures. Well I haven't looked up the NCT inspection manual or anything but from Jellys post it looks like that's the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Thanks , thats great; excatly how mine is setup As I am in Ireland we have the NCT , HID lamp reasons for failure (not too sure how strict they are) 16 Automatic headlamp levelling device not operating or manual headlamp levelling device cannot be operated from driver’s seat. 17 Mandatory headlamp cleaning device not present. 18 Mandatory headlamp cleaning device not operating. Basically, what that means is if the above is fitted, it should be in working order. If it isn't, as in most cases for JSpecs, then it's not a problem, but if you have a UK Supra, then the headlamp washer/wipers have to work, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony tt Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Well I haven't looked up the NCT inspection manual or anything but from Jellys post it looks like that's the rule. Not unless the rules have changed I live there for 6 years in Kerry and headlight washers wasn't an issue. As said by Andrew though if its a uk spec supra then these would be relevant failures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listy Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 This got covered earlier in the year. If your car is fitted with washers and alignment as standard (uk spec) it has to be in working order to pass with HIDs. If your car was not fitted with washers and alignment as standard (jspec) then HIDs will pass as long as they have the correct level and beam pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Not unless the rules have changed I live there for 6 years in Kerry and headlight washers wasn't an issue. As said by Andrew though if its a uk spec supra then these would be relevant failures. They may have changed as most MOT type rules changed this year. This got covered earlier in the year. If your car is fitted with washers and alignment as standard (uk spec) it has to be in working order to pass with HIDs. If your car was not fitted with washers and alignment as standard (jspec) then HIDs will pass as long as they have the correct level and beam pattern. Was it covered for the Irish test though, or just the MOT? For the MOT you can have HIDs and don't need any washers or auto-levelling, if you have washers they now have to work. For the Irish NCT test it states as one of the reasons for failure (so called RfRs on the MOT over here) that for HIDs: "Mandatory headlamp cleaning device not present.". So unless the testers don't read the manual, or don't care, or for some other reason don't fail the car for it then it is a failure to not have a washer system fitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 Basically, what that means is if the above is fitted, it should be in working order. If it isn't, as in most cases for JSpecs, then it's not a problem, but if you have a UK Supra, then the headlamp washer/wipers have to work, etc. I am not too sure if it is the case over here, sure I guess I will find out on the 12th Will keep the thread updated http://www.ncts.ie/pdf/NCT%20Manual%...May%202012.pdf Page 47 4. Where HID (High Intensity Discharge) bulbs are fitted switch on the headlights and check that cleaning devices such as headlamp 4. wipers or high pressure water jets are present and work. Check where possible that the headlamp levelling device is working. Notes: 4. HID headlamps must be installed as a complete type-approved system. The system will include automatic cleaning. HID headlamps can be recognised by: a) the light having a bluish tinge, b) the light taking a few seconds to reach full intensity, c) the headlamp having an igniter module/inverter behind the headlamp, d) the headlamp having ”DC” (for HID dipped beam), “DR” (for HID main beam), or “DCR” (if both are HID) marked on the lens. This marking should be visible from the exterior of the vehicle but in some cases the markings may be hidden under the bonnet and this may need opening to obtain a clear view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letmeshowyou Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 mine passed very recently with HIDs btw. Not a moan at all from the guy, and they're strict! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Again. I had mine done in late Sept and it went straight through. Failed on bald tyres though, fussy gets..!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjs_82 Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I'm in for nct tomorrow I'll let you know how I get on. I have hid's in my hi and lo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 I'm in for nct tomorrow I'll let you know how I get on. I have hid's in my hi and lo Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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