psymon Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 Ok Question is on a Track would there be much different in lap times between a manual 6sp and auto if they were identical cars.. Opinions ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicmatty Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 I reckon (imho) the auto would be quicker.....The auto boxes are SO good, they do all the hard work and give you the best available (As opposed to doing it manual and stuffing it up!) Then again, auto 100% definately better in a stright line, so track????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 i would say the manual would be quicker just purely you have more control of rev range, a slightly quicker downshift compared to kickdown Depends on how good a driver to be honest a few missed gears and auto be bout level with a laptime. Ive always wondered, if you kick down in an auto come to corner, let off,little feathered throttle round the corner gradually building up the accerlaration. during the feathering period does it jump back up a gear instead of being in the lower gear? whi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lust2luv Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 With a really good driver, my money's on the manual. Otherwise, the auto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 If the auto is being driven in MANU mode or a combination of the two there shouldn't be much in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chiefvinso Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 I cant recall seeing any spaz boxes on any type of racing cars!!! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyb10supra Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 I own an auto mut I would say the manual, purely becuase of shift times and holding it on the revs for the turbos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 Depends on how good a driver to be honest a few missed gears and auto be bout level with a laptime. whi TRACK is about having FUN..... AUTO - Boring Manual - FUN FUN FUN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 Manual for the track Auto for the straight line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 Take your car on against Chris Wilson in a stock auto box MkIV round a track and then spout all that usual tosh about auto's -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chiefvinso Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 Take your car on against Chris Wilson in a stock auto box MkIV round a track and then spout all that usual tosh about auto's -Ian Is he the STIG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyb10supra Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 Is he the STIG? PMSL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 Take your car on against Chris Wilson in a stock auto box MkIV round a track and then spout all that usual tosh about auto's -Ian And then give him a manual and see him knock a second or more off the lap time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 Is he the STIG? What???? with an Auto?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 Ok Question is on a Track would there be much different in lap times between a manual 6sp and auto if they were identical cars.. Opinions ? I reckon, Identical cars....good capable driver....manual will be quicker. Is this a trick question...btw??? you havent got a video of tskuchiya & Horido going head to head in one of each ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 The manual is quicker - thats fact even according to the official figures just in a straight line, let alone around the track - less power loss, 6 gears not 4 => quicker. IMHO If it can save half a second on a single 1/4 run, it will save plenty more around a decent track because of the better car control it offers (better control using the throttle including engine braking etc). Sure you need a driver capable of handling the manual box, that goes without saying. Capable driver = manual every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 http://www.racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=483&p=3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 The manual is quicker - thats fact even according to the official figures just in a straight line, let alone around the track - less power loss, 6 gears not 4 => quicker. IMHO If it can save half a second on a single 1/4 run, it will save plenty more around a decent track because of the better car control it offers (better control using the throttle including engine braking etc). I love the way manual drivers think we can't engine brake in the auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irvy Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 I love the way manual drivers think we can't engine brake in the auto thats all i ever do ...my car still wears the original brake pads from japan with very little wear on em!!! :littled: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 Never said you couldn't lol, said you get better control in a manual and control is what it's about when cornering around a track... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irvy Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 i feel a track day coming on....can i borrow someones car???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 I can only see the auto losing out if speeds go over 140mph (due to largish jump between 3rd and 4th), and standing starts (how often is that?). I'd wager that a manual has far more engine braking though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 Must be this time of the year again..... That ole chestnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 http://www.racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=483&p=3 Nice Video....shame no Supra though. Nevertheless.....interesting to see both Autos spinning (including the SMG) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 Must be this time of the year again..... That ole chestnut lol yeah this "ol' chestnut" one must come up time and time again! I guess for normal driving it mostly comes down to personal preference at the end of the day. I've also read that standard, the manual box is a touch stronger than the auto, handling another 50bhp or so before risking failures. I expect if you are building a racer both would need strengthening though anyway. Auto = excellent for a daily driver, easier to drive quickly with less effort. Good for drag racing (although not using the standard auto box/torque converter) Manual = might seem harder work initially, potentially quicker and more rewarding when you learn to get it right. Always potential for a "missed" gear change though. One thing that definitely is true, that manual box sure makes some strange noises lol. I've grown to love it though, it gives it some character (at least thats what I tell myself anyway). I don't know what the ratio is, but I think I'd be right in assuming that the majority of forum members have auto's. It took me a lot longer to find a decent manual 6 speed TT and I saw so many auto's whilst looking that I very nearly crumbled and went for an auto instead. I'm glad I stuck to my principles though now. At the end of the day, each to their own though, either way they are great cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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