Kaan W Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 (edited) Well I thought I would be clever today and attempt to wire tuck my engine bay and try the fuse box under the light mod. Firstly, I didnt really think it through and everything was great untill I went to plug the 3 connectors on the traction and abs units and the 3 green blocks in the footwell before realising there about 4" to short. After wrapping everything back up nicely in some fabric loom tape and reconnected it was going great until my headlights stopped working after 20 seconds of being on and I noticed 2 15amp fuse's for the lwr lhd and lwr rhd were blown, not only blown but completely melted. The headlights were fine then nothing which I guess must be something to do with them fuse's. Secondly the indicators dont work at all. Not even the dash lights for indicators light up. Saying that is there dash lights for main beam and normal lights because I have no lights on the dash for any of the lights come up? Is this something simple an auto electrical garage could sort out or is my car now scrap? Why the damn hell do I touch everything! Cheers guys EDIT: Indicators first flashed a few times after connecting the battery back up when disarming the alarm system but now nothing. Fuses Edited September 24, 2012 by Kaan W (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdavies Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Trapped a wire somewhere and now shorting to earth. might be when you bolted the headlight back in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaan W Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 Trapped a wire somewhere and now shorting to earth. might be when you bolted the headlight back in Would this melt a fuse if a wire has broken as I might have pinched one getting them back in the plastic covers, or does it actually have to come in contact with the body to melt a fuse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdavies Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 If enough flowed through it then yes suppose it could. its worth a check as my fog fuse was blowing and this is the reason why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaan W Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 The trouble is the car has had a HID6k kit fitted by previous owner and the wirings a mess and there are a couple of broken wires which I dont know if I broke or whether they had been cut for the conversion. Also is the fuse for the indicators in the engine fuse box too I cant seem to find it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdavies Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I dunno where the fuse for the indicators is. google it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 (edited) Indicators working only when part of dashboard where hazard lights button is is connected to the loom. There is main beam light on the dash. Indicator fuse is in footwell box, second row, third from left. Edited September 22, 2012 by Konrad (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaan W Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 Indicators working only when part of dashboard where hazard lights button is is connected to the loom. Come again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Dashboard panels - top one is one where odometer, hazard light button and engine check light are. This one MUST be connected to the interior loom for a indicators to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaan W Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 Dashboard panels - top one is one where odometer, hazard light button and engine check light are. This one MUST be connected to the interior loom for a indicators to work. Got ya! Im pretty sure thats connected as none of this has been touched but i'll have a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 i did warn you when you first said about doing this, looks like you might have to trace all the wires back from the lights and check to see if its earthing out,and if one wire can do it what about the others this could happen to another more importent wire, sorry to say it might be better to take it all back out and start again making sure that no sharp egdes have damaged any wires, or if you find where it has got damaged and its clearly that you might get away with it but is it worth the risk of you hole car going up in flames Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaan W Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 i did warn you when you first said about doing this, looks like you might have to trace all the wires back from the lights and check to see if its earthing out,and if one wire can do it what about the others this could happen to another more importent wire, sorry to say it might be better to take it all back out and start again making sure that no sharp egdes have damaged any wires, or if you find where it has got damaged and its clearly that you might get away with it but is it worth the risk of you hole car going up in flames I know you did but im an idiot. I will have another look when I get time to see if there are any breaks and trace back each one. If not can I just simply buy I new front loom and clip it in as easy as it sounds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippyboyo1 Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Bloody hell mate!! There's no quick fix to this, if I were you I'd remove everything you've done so far, start again from scratch and trace every wire to where it should have gone in the first place. If your not an auto electrician or no what you doing (no offence but you clearly don't) I'd bin the wire tuck idea and get it back to how it was or if you must have a wire tuck now I'd have someone who's done it before to do it or at least help you. All the best though mate and I hope it's an easy fix for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaan W Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 Bloody hell mate!! There's no quick fix to this, if I were you I'd remove everything you've done so far, start again from scratch and trace every wire to where it should have gone in the first place. If your not an auto electrician or no what you doing (no offence but you clearly don't) I'd bin the wire tuck idea and get it back to how it was or if you must have a wire tuck now I'd have someone who's done it before to do it or at least help you. All the best though mate and I hope it's an easy fix for you Cheers mate, I already have put everything back to how it was even put the battery back in the front as everything was before. I havent cut anything just basically unwrapped and rewrapped then put back. I only repaired 2 wires that were broke but then again I dont know if they were cut previously to install the HID kit or anything. I'll have ago and if no luck i'll get an auto electrician to sort it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 disconnect them wires they might be the problem, thats why they might have been cut in the first place. as you havent cut any wires thats a good thing so you just have to trace what you have done checking for trapped wires or damage insulation hopefully you didnt tuck too much making it hard to trace, but best of luck with it bud where in kent are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaan W Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 disconnect them wires they might be the problem, thats why they might have been cut in the first place. as you havent cut any wires thats a good thing so you just have to trace what you have done checking for trapped wires or damage insulation hopefully you didnt tuck too much making it hard to trace, but best of luck with it bud where in kent are you? Ahh I see i'll try that and have a close inspection see if I can find the bugger! Im by Margate matey, you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Ahh I see i'll try that and have a close inspection see if I can find the bugger! Im by Margate matey, you? well abit out the way Dartford , would of said i could give you a hand belling out that earth thought but all i can say is diconnect parts from the related line section at a time if you can and when it stops blowing fuses you know where abouts it is, but still might be in the back of my mind what else might be damaged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaan W Posted September 23, 2012 Author Share Posted September 23, 2012 well abit out the way Dartford , would of said i could give you a hand belling out that earth thought but all i can say is diconnect parts from the related line section at a time if you can and when it stops blowing fuses you know where abouts it is, but still might be in the back of my mind what else might be damaged Yeah thats a bit out the way, Doh! I was thinking of looking on the back of the fuse board at which wires come from the fuses that are blowing and run down the wire to see if anything looks dodgy. Its only the 2 headlight fuses that were melted but I think the indicators fuse is inside the car im not sure. The thing is I cant understand is why there not just blown as they are completely melted. Also for the indicators there are no bulbs lighting up but should I still here the clicking noise if its just the fuse gone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caracol Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 kaan download the electrical manual print the part about head lights and turn sinal and track the wires to see if its all ok and it this you can check to if that 2 wires that you join are to be join our separated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaan W Posted September 23, 2012 Author Share Posted September 23, 2012 kaan download the electrical manual print the part about head lights and turn sinal and track the wires to see if its all ok and it this you can check to if that 2 wires that you join are to be join our separated. Ok thanks i'll have a look. Only thing is my headlights are aftermarket 6k kit with loads of different wires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 You don't have to keep blowing fuses, you can just use a multimeter to check continuity between the fuse and the chassis ground. If resistance is zero, it's shorted out. If it's high or infinite then it's probably wired up correctly. If all that reads like Klingon to you, step away from the car I'm torn between admiration for your enthusiasm and honesty, and despair over you keeping on trying this stuff and rupturing your car when previous experience should tell you not to do it You remind me of Gordon Brittas Plus, all this over a wire tuck, one of the most pointless hassle-inducing mods ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaan W Posted September 24, 2012 Author Share Posted September 24, 2012 You don't have to keep blowing fuses, you can just use a multimeter to check continuity between the fuse and the chassis ground. If resistance is zero, it's shorted out. If it's high or infinite then it's probably wired up correctly. If all that reads like Klingon to you, step away from the car I'm torn between admiration for your enthusiasm and honesty, and despair over you keeping on trying this stuff and rupturing your car when previous experience should tell you not to do it You remind me of Gordon Brittas Plus, all this over a wire tuck, one of the most pointless hassle-inducing mods ever I dont have a multimeter but I think i'll get one before I start diagnosing the problem as it sounds a handy bit of kit to have. I know as ive said in other threads im just an idiot really I just cant keep my busy hands from touching stuff and tend to ruin it. If worst comes to worse i'll take it to an auto electrician as im sure this sort of thing is breakfast to them but i'll try do it myself first as it could be just a trapped wire. Thanks for the heads up mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 im interested in when you say melted fuse?, now a fuse works by when the current through is too great it makes the small peace of wire melt thus braking the circuit, are you saying that the hole fuse (being the plastic bit) is melting? please make sure the correct fuse is in there for a start,and if the actual fuse is melting i would say that the fuse might be being bypassed all together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaan W Posted September 24, 2012 Author Share Posted September 24, 2012 im interested in when you say melted fuse?, now a fuse works by when the current through is too great it makes the small peace of wire melt thus braking the circuit, are you saying that the hole fuse (being the plastic bit) is melting? please make sure the correct fuse is in there for a start,and if the actual fuse is melting i would say that the fuse might be being bypassed all together Yes the whole fuse mate, infact when I pulled them out the plastic kind of crumbled in my hand and was quite brittle both of them. Thats what I thought which is why I was just thinking prehaps some moisture has ot into the fuses where I havent had it shut properly while I had the loom out for a few days. It seems wierd that the whole fuse would just melt., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 water would do this but moisture i dont think so would dry out as the fuse was getting hot and melting, to get over this you will need a multi meter mate , where the fuse was (take the fuse out) then put your meter on one side of where you fuse went and to a good earth and see what ohms you get each side and work back from there results depending make sure you have a good contact with the meter test probs also i would trace out that wiring that had the melted fuse and see if the actual wires them selves have melted in some way, hopefully it will be contained to just the lighting wiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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