Graham1984 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Talking of which, I suppose I should put another 12 months on it for it just to sit there!! Feel free to do a straight swap with me Ben then at least you know someone is enjoying your car mate and mine can sit and rot instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Mate, mine looks a mess atm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Mate, mine looks a mess atm! Dare I ask what you have done to it??? Seems a shame as having a NA 6speed you could easily give it the heart it deserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Well when someone buys that 'kin M3 I will!! Lol Just started sorting the bodywork issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I cant believe you still have that M3, My mate sold his months ago with not much agro whatsoever, you must be putting them off Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 It's a 4 door mate. That's the issue I think. It's a shame cos it's mint and it's wasted in the corner of my workshop. If I've still got it after christmas I'll just break it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 It's a 4 door mate. That's the issue I think. It's a shame cos it's mint and it's wasted in the corner of my workshop. If I've still got it after christmas I'll just break it up. It looked nice when I had a peek at it, You never know you may get shot of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I hope so. It's too nice to track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bambisdad Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 Considering your opinions it still looks like a grey area. I am looking for a definitive answer to the question and I don't think there is one. I still don't accept that given the wording in section 7.1 of the MOT Inspection Manual, that my pre-95 NA/T doesn't need to have a cat because it does not qualify for a full cat emissions test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 (edited) Considering your opinions it still looks like a grey area. I am looking for a definitive answer to the question and I don't think there is one. I still don't accept that given the wording in section 7.1 of the MOT Inspection Manual, that my pre-95 NA/T doesn't need to have a cat because it does not qualify for a full cat emissions test. Just had to teach the MOT tester how to do his job this morning regarding the same point, after wrongly doing a cat emissions test on my car yesterday and failing it. The rule is that if the car was registered/used before 1st August 1995 and the exact car model isn't listed on their database then it should have a non CAT test. This flow chart from the MOT manual explains it very clearly. http://imageshack.us/a/img404/7559/picture1sf.jpg I think reality is regarded as an illusion by some? Edited September 22, 2012 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethr Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 (edited) All I was told that if it originally had a CAT installed from new, it should be on for the test, and I have to go along with that now. No you don't. The manual does not say that. As someone quoted above, it says that if the car requires a full cat test, and a cat was originally fitted, then the tester must check for the presence of a cat. In other words, if your car doesn't need a full cat test, it doesn't need a cat. Call VOSA, and ask them to confirm what the manual says. http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/index.htm 7.1 Exhaust System Method of Inspection 3) On vehicles that qualify for a full cat emissions test, check the presence of the catalytic converter. Reason for Rejection 3) A catalytic converter missing where one was fitted as standard Edited September 22, 2012 by garethr (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 As I've found out this week, it doesn't matter what the manual says in black and white, if the MOT tester thinks he knows what the rules are you might as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 (edited) As I've found out this week, it doesn't matter what the manual says in black and white, if the MOT tester thinks he knows what the rules are you might as well That's a problem VOSA have with many 'Testing Monkey's', they have to keep inspecting the stations to try and keep them applying the written regulations and not the one's they've dreamed for themselves. Just show them the page they were not bright enough to find in their own workbook and all will be fine. Edited September 23, 2012 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Every single time this thread comes up, the same questions get asked, the same answers come up, yet somebody still disputes it. I'm an MOT tester. If you car isn't listed, it's a pre cat test. Simple. It really isn't that difficult to get your head round. The new rules say that IF the vehicle is subject to a full cat test - I.e. BET test + full cat test if required, then it needs to have a cat fitted. If it's imported, VOSA hold no vehicle specific data for imported engines, regardless of if the they make the same engine in the UK, because as far as VOSA are concerned, they're tuned differently for different emissions zones. Example 1. I tested a Civic that had been brought back to the UK when the people that owned it moved home. By UK standards, the emissions were through the roof, but it was imported, we didn't have the correct emissions related data, so it had to pass. Example 2. My sister has an Impreza NON STI WRX Type R RA V-Limited. VOSA list a WRX, WRX STI, WRX STI Type R, WRX STI Type RA, but not the V- Limited. Therefore, the fact that it's not listed = Pre cat test. Can someone put the definitive rules in a sticky post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Every single time this thread comes up, the same questions get asked, the same answers come up, yet somebody still disputes it. I'm an MOT tester. If you car isn't listed, it's a pre cat test. Simple. It really isn't that difficult to get your head round. The new rules say that IF the vehicle is subject to a full cat test - I.e. BET test + full cat test if required, then it needs to have a cat fitted. If it's imported, VOSA hold no vehicle specific data for imported engines, regardless of if the they make the same engine in the UK, because as far as VOSA are concerned, they're tuned differently for different emissions zones. Example 1. I tested a Civic that had been brought back to the UK when the people that owned it moved home. By UK standards, the emissions were through the roof, but it was imported, we didn't have the correct emissions related data, so it had to pass. Example 2. My sister has an Impreza NON STI WRX Type R RA V-Limited. VOSA list a WRX, WRX STI, WRX STI Type R, WRX STI Type RA, but not the V- Limited. Therefore, the fact that it's not listed = Pre cat test. Can someone put the definitive rules in a sticky post? It already is, but it happens to be in a post that's more than a sentence long which appears to be a challenge beyond the focus of some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Then mods should lock the topic as soon as it's posted!! Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 (edited) Ben, You're our MOT man on the inside, post it up in one sentence with the pretty flow-chart and Bob might be you're Dad. Edited September 23, 2012 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Nah my dad's into rusty old Bentley's and MGBGT's. And couldn't figure out how to switch a computer on, let alone us a forum. I can't be arsed to find a flow chart, my Supra flies through every single year, I don't really care about anyone elses MOT tester being a mong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Fair enough, if it was that efficient on here, there would be less Old Wives Tales to prattle on about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 So what you're getting at, that if it's a decatted J-Spec it should be a non-CAT test, but if it's a decatted UK-Spec, it will be tested, and presumably fail? I may try the other MOT place that Budz mentioned and see from there. Then again, having the CAT in, doesn't really make much of a difference and I know it's 'legal' and I have peace of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 So what you're getting at, that if it's a decatted J-Spec it should be a non-CAT test, but if it's a decatted UK-Spec, it will be tested, and presumably fail? I may try the other MOT place that Budz mentioned and see from there. Then again, having the CAT in, doesn't really make much of a difference and I know it's 'legal' and I have peace of mind. Pretty much. You're only is sussex. Gimme a shout at MOT time. I can test it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Okey dokey. Thanks. I'll just need to get the CAT off again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 The N/A 2JZA80-GE engine code is grey import only, consequently, is not on the list and pre 95 the full cat test is not required. The T.T. 2JZA80-GTE engine code is the same in a J spec as a U.K. spec, consequently, is on the list and whatever date of manufacture is subject to a full cat test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Uk aerotop, NA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 If that's on the list, don't let on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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