mikeekim89 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Hi guys, I've been lurking about on here for a while and I'm looking at buying a Supra. I've looked at threads and the opinion seems that a UK non-import is better to insure than a import. I'd like a 6 speed TT hardtop. Ideally stock. I'm not sure how much I should be spending on a stock/minor modded one. I'm 19 and I do have the income/savings to insure it aslong as I'm not paying something like 10k! I have 2 years NCD and live in a low risk area too. I'm also wondering what exactly makes a 2JZ into a 2JZ. I've not been able to find any answers online though. Any advice that can be given would be greatly appreciated. I've seen quite a few Autos for sale for around £2,500-£3,500 with good mileage. I can't decide how much more I should pay for a manual. Thanks guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripped_fear Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 (edited) Welcome to the club. I suggest you do lots more research, the UK's only came in twin turbo form, with all extras so they pull big money around 7-9k for auto 11-15 for a 6 speed. The 2.5- 3k ones you are seeing will be NA imports and will cost to insure. Especially at your age, Im not saying its not possible but do lots of research I insured my na 5 speed at 20 and got a fair deal but had no claims from 17 so that helped. If you are looking for a UK TT6 you are going to need 10 thousand minimum. As for what makes a 2jz a 2jz I'm not sure what you mean, its the name of the engine. Two differences being the 2jz GE is non turbo and the 2jz gte is turbo;d Hope this helps. Edited August 6, 2012 by ripped_fear (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgyRog Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 As above really , as Jake said, you won't get a UK Spec thats decent for under £5k and a UK Spec TT6 is a rare beast indeed meaning these are very pricey if you can find one I might know of a White UK Auto that will be coming onto the market soon:eyebrows: You will have to be happy to travel to find a decent UK Spec as well and make sure it has good history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeekim89 Posted August 6, 2012 Author Share Posted August 6, 2012 Ahh, so would I be better getting a Import then? I'm not set on 6 speed, I thought they were cheaper than 5 to be honest which is why I said it. I figure my insurance won't be too good but I've got other vehicles I can put in the same company if it'll make a discount. Are there any reccomended insurers besides Sky and CCI? I'm up for paying insurance of upto 8.5-9k if the price difference of the car worth the insurance saving on a UK/import. I'm currently driving a '00 Mercedes CLK 2.3 Auto Kompressor and paying 4k Fully comp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeekim89 Posted August 6, 2012 Author Share Posted August 6, 2012 I might know of a White UK Auto that will be coming onto the market soon:eyebrows: I could be intrested in that, I'm just not super keen on another Auto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripped_fear Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 (edited) Just to give you an idea of UK spec prices here is a few examples, 2x TT6 1x TT auto CAR 1 CAR 2 CAR 3 Ahh, so would I be better getting a Import then? I'm not set on 6 speed, I thought they were cheaper than 5 to be honest which is why I said it. Imports are alot more expensive to insure but that's your call, if you can afford it and find a good example go for a UK. The 6 speed is fitted to all TT manual supra's, The weaker 5 speed is in the NA's Edited August 6, 2012 by ripped_fear (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeekim89 Posted August 6, 2012 Author Share Posted August 6, 2012 Just to give you an idea of UK spec prices here is a few examples, 2x TT6 1x TT auto CAR 1 CAR 2 CAR 3 Thanks for that! Right, import it is then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeekim89 Posted August 6, 2012 Author Share Posted August 6, 2012 Roughly what's the difference on insuring a UK to a import do you know please? I'm up for spending the money on the right car, but if I'm honest I'm the type to modify something when I get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripped_fear Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Thats a hard thing to say as everyones insures differs drastically from the smallest of things. But assuming you compare a UK TT6 to a J spec TT 6 (RZ or GZ) I would bet the price could be doubled. Best bet is to ring flux or someone similar and compare the two cars, CCI is a good company but you have to be 21 IIRC and SKY are great but they wouldnt touch me until I turned 22 on my NA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listy Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I would say at 19 the insurance wouldn't be worth it to be honest. But if you have the money then why not. Make sure you shop around for insurance, and try and play a couple of insurers off each other to get a better price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeekim89 Posted August 6, 2012 Author Share Posted August 6, 2012 I'll take a good look around at insurance and see what I can get then. If the Supra is too much I've been offered a Mk 4 GT4 Celica that needs some work(alot, it's been sat a while outside) for next too nothing. I reckon insurance will be cheaper on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnmcleod Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 get a TT auto for £4000-5000 and convert it to a manual cheaper insurance, cheaper that buying a manual TT, and the engine wouldn't have had such a hard life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 get a TT auto for £4000-5000 and convert it to a manual cheaper insurance, cheaper that buying a manual TT, and the engine wouldn't have had such a hard life That's not entirely true. A 6 speed conversion costs around £3k (more if you need a new clutch), if you brought a £5k supra it is very unlikely it will be low mileage mint one which means it might need work doing so you are knocking close to £9k. An being an auto doesnt mean it will NOT have had a hard life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wewsupra Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 That's not entirely true. A 6 speed conversion costs around £3k (more if you need a new clutch), if you brought a £5k supra it is very unlikely it will be low mileage mint one which means it might need work doing so you are knocking close to £9k. An being an auto doesnt mean it will NOT have had a hard life. i had some guy tell me the other day that he was going to convert his auto to a 6 speed and my reply was its expensive ,he said 200-330 ??? i then sent him a link of ebay 3k he was like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Welcome to the club. I'm also wondering what exactly makes a 2JZ into a 2JZ. I've not been able to find any answers online though. I'm not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean what's the difference between a non-turbo 2JZ (known as 2JZ-GE) and a twin turbo 2JZ (known as 2JZ-GTE)? To echo what other people have said about insurance, insurers use complicated algorithms to come up with a premium and unfortunately there's no alternative to getting a few actual quotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelfill Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 One thing that makes an import more expensive to insure is that fewer companies will insure it. If it's modified you'll reduce your options further. Don't discount the auto until you've driven one, I find it a very engaging drive, definitely not interested in changing for a manual particularly given the price premium. Good luck with your search. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkddav3 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 welcome mate, and i thought i was young getting mine at 20! got any insurance quotes yet mate? i woulda thought youd struggle to insure a supra at that age unless youve got deep pockets. but im probs wrong. get some pics up if you get one though bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 My advice is try an auto before you mock it. A lot of people on here, myself included, thought a manual supra was the only one to have. There are a lot of advantages to an auto, price being one of them. See if you can get a test drive off someone and then decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 My advice is try an auto before you mock it. A lot of people on here, myself included, thought a manual supra was the only one to have. There are a lot of advantages to an auto, price being one of them. See if you can get a test drive off someone and then decide. This. I have owned both & can say if I brought another Supra I'd get an auto, it's an amazing box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty71 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 This. I have owned both & can say if I brought another Supra I'd get an auto, it's an amazing box. Auto rulez for once Abz is right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Auto rulez for once Abz is right I have learned from my mistakes my friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnmcleod Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 That's not entirely true. A 6 speed conversion costs around £3k (more if you need a new clutch), if you brought a £5k supra it is very unlikely it will be low mileage mint one which means it might need work doing so you are knocking close to £9k. An being an auto doesnt mean it will NOT have had a hard life. he could fit a 5 speed since he wants a stock engine, ive seen it done before and the guy said it cost him less than £1000 and a automatic engine is going to be less thrashed than a manual with people revving to the redline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 he could fit a 5 speed since he wants a stock engine, ive seen it done before and the guy said it cost him less than £1000 and a automatic engine is going to be less thrashed than a manual with people revving to the redline If that is the case then the OP needs to be aware that he is putting in a gearbox with borrowed time. As they say, buy cheap, buy twice. The engine has a rev limiter for a reason on both the auto and manual, auto engine could have had as much abuse as a manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny1987 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 ive got an auto twin turbo for sale if your interested: http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?274759-1993-Toyota-Supra-3-0-twin-turbo-GZ-import-dark-blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnmcleod Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 If that is the case then the OP needs to be aware that he is putting in a gearbox with borrowed time. As they say, buy cheap, buy twice. The engine has a rev limiter for a reason on both the auto and manual, auto engine could have had as much abuse as a manual. I didn't think auto's could redline as much because it usually changes gear about 5-6K revs. Sorry if I'm wrong I've never drove an auto so just going by what I've been told Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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