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would a vvti engine be better in my 93 supra ?


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Ive got a 93 supra NA and im planning to turbo it. due to pretty high mileage i thought a new engine would be a smart idea before boosting. i found on ebay that 2jz ge engines are only £250-600 but they are VVTI. would i be better with a VVTI engine or just rebuild the one i have? thanks

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would i need a different ecu ? same engine code but different engine...

 

I'd say no, should you want more power in the future the vvti's are restrictive and you'll be getting rid of the head and going non vvti. Also the Fly by wire is a ball ache.

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I'd say no, should you want more power in the future the vvti's are restrictive and you'll be getting rid of the head and going non vvti. Also the Fly by wire is a ball ache.

 

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would i need a different ecu ? same engine code but different engine...

 

Yes you will need a VVT-i ecu to run a VVT-i engine.

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may be better just sticking to the one i have and rebuild it with lower compression. another question if you guys dont mind, would forge pistons made for a 2jzgte fit into my 2jzge ?

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I'd say no, should you want more power in the future the vvti's are restrictive and you'll be getting rid of the head and going non vvti. Also the Fly by wire is a ball ache.

 

Sorry, but your information is wrong (apart from FBW being difficult).

There is very little real-world data supporting the hypothesis that the VVTi rods are weak, or the head is restrictive.

I have a stock VVTi head, bar a upgraded exhaust cam, and it has flowed over 800 wheel hp.

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Sorry, but your information is wrong (apart from FBW being difficult).

There is very little real-world data supporting the hypothesis that the VVTi rods are weak, or the head is restrictive.

I have a stock VVTi head, bar a upgraded exhaust cam, and it has flowed over 800 wheel hp.

 

Sorry but my information is correct!

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Care to share head flow figures, dyno figures, or indeed *any* information to support your assertions?

Sorry if I'm not in a trusting mood, given your extensive reputation on this forum.

 

i'll gladly try and dig out all the information i have on the flow differences, I own a vvti 1999 TT so did lots of research many moons ago. As for my extensive reputation? would you care to elaborate? If you're referring to a certain white car I can gladly discuss this with you via phone but not openly on here due to legal reasons, happy to supply my number via pm.

 

Nick.

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While you're at it - you might explain how a non VVTi ECU can run a VVTi engine.....

 

it can't, where did I say it could?

 

 

Straightsix - I quoted the wrong post by Johnmcleod, my first reply was to his original engine question not the ECU, its common sense that the non VVTI ECU can't run a VVTI engine.

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I'm trying to find the info but god knows what backed up HD it's on, I am going on my build research from 2008 so advances with the VVTI head may well have happened, my original build thread is here: http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?154236-Project-quot-Quicksilver-quot-Supra

 

Again I'm not shouting fiction it's facts from research and I certainly don't want to start a slagging match, to be honest i'm wishing I'd never replied to the thread. If I can find the info I'll post it up, I believe it was figures from headworx in the US.

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ive just put a vvti in my car as i blew up the normal twin turbo

had a few little problems with the maf ,when putting engine in

but omg as standard its miles better then the non vvti

Torque is a lot better imo

heres some info i found on here

 

PRO's

 

ECU. The VVTi has 2 x 16 bit whilst the stock JDM is 2 x 8 bit. The ecu is obviously much faster. It is based upon the later Lexus units and is very powerful.

 

Fly-By-Wire. In conjunction with the ECU the FBY system will close the throttle if it senses detonation, high coolant temps, etc

 

The VVTi system. Adjusts the intake cam timing. This gives significantly more low end torque, and helps the larger turbo'd car spool earlier.

 

Rev Limit. The rev limit on a stock VVTi is 7200 rpm whilst the Stock JDM is 6800 rpm.

 

Neutral

MAF. The VVTi uses MAF, The MAF is far more accurate than a speed density system. The downside is that the MAF will eventually become a restriction if big power is required.

AFTERMARKET ecu to by pass the maf

neil from derby has done this

 

Inlet. The VVTi uses a smaller inlet manifold. This will improve torque, but may become a retriction on really big power cars ( 650+ bhp)

 

 

Cons

 

Wasted Spark ignition. This IMO is a step backwards to coil on plug.

 

Trac. The VVTi TRAC is too over-sensitive. Pulling the fuse will put the car into "snow" mode.

(i have not got )

 

Engine Mounts. This applies to all Facelift cars. TMC changed the engine mounts for some strange reason. These are prone to failure and are not as "beefy" as those on earlier cars.

 

(ive used my old twin turbo engine mount so again this is a problem i have not got )

 

edit got this from the search button i did not write this lol :p

but as said my vvti standard is miles better then the non vvti i had befor

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