James Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I haven't done a search yet, but what ethanol % is in the meth? On the other hand, ethanol is less chemically toxic than methanol, and it carries more energy per gallon. Ethanol contains about 75 percent of the energy of gasoline per gallon, compared to 67 percent for methanol. Both thus achieve fewer miles per gallon than gasoline, but about as many miles per dollar at current prices, and probably many more miles per dollar at future prices. Methanol is more corrosive than ethanol. This can be dealt with by using appropriate materials in the automobile fuel system. A fuel system made acceptable for methanol use will also be fine for ethanol or pure gasoline. Both ethanol and methanol are water soluble and biodegradable in the environment. The consequences of a spill of either would be much less than that of petroleum products. If the Exxon Valdez had been carrying either of these fuels instead of oil, the environmental impact caused by its demise would have been negligible. Both are 109RON. Methanol bears more oxygen than ethanol, allows for a richer mixture and has a lower vaporisation point. It has more heat dissipation than ethanol too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradleyh_15 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Lee has offered to pick the box up if need be dude, they want to get started tomorrow on the build lol Ok cool that's sweet then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxluc Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Both are 109RON. Methanol bears more oxygen than ethanol, allows for a richer mixture and has a lower vaporisation point. It has more heat dissipation than ethanol too. Perfect explanation mate. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Lee managed to get the car on to the rollers this morning to get an accurate power level before he starts and then compare it to after the car is finished. It made 455.8hp @ the fly on 1.4bar Edited July 14, 2014 by drift_bear (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Thats pretty good for a bpu car, does it have an EGT sensor? Be nice to know what they was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 Thats pretty good for a bpu car, does it have an EGT sensor? Be nice to know what they was. It had an egt temp gauge in when I first got the car, I removed it a few months ago cause i removed the A pillar pod it was in and it looked like a cheap style of gauge. The sensor is still there to be used with the syvecs though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 What was your EGT's at on a WOT top speed run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 What was your EGT's at on a WOT top speed run? I honestly couldn't tell you mate, it's been out the car since may Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geo Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Thats pretty good for a bpu car, does it have an EGT sensor? Be nice to know what they was. BPU? aint it got uprated twins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 BPU? aint it got uprated twins? Yeah it's running the hybrid twins still, think it still gets classed as a "bpu+" though geo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Good result dude. Good luck with the rest of the work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee P Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 As Alex said we are using Methanol because of the availability and price. We wont be using as much of a mixture but will give very similar results. Ethanol will be better for you Luc as you should be able to get it at the pumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldy Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 it would have been good to rwhp figures before and after the 6 speed conversion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee P Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 it would have been good to rwhp figures before and after the 6 speed conversion Got the wheel figure will post the graph later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraD06 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Just out of interest, as this has hybrid turbo's, has anyone ever ran ethanol / methanol on a Bpu car with stock twins? And if you could would there be any real gains to be had by doing this. Might be another option for us stock twin Bpu guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee P Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Just out of interest, as this has hybrid turbo's, has anyone ever ran ethanol / methanol on a Bpu car with stock twins? And if you could would there be any real gains to be had by doing this. Might be another option for us stock twin Bpu guys. Not 100% sure tbh, I know some people have used Meth water injection kits which helps to cool charge temps but we are actually mapping for it as well so the gains should be good. It would work just as well on a stock turbo car but you would be limited on boost with the J spec turbos You would need to be running a Syvecs to have this function though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraD06 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Thanks for clearing that up Lee. Was hoping maybe this could maybe be setup with any stand alone ecu, but i guess the Syvecs has to adjust the map based on if and when you add ethanol etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Thought I would do an updated spec list (at last) and have put all the new parts in red to make it easier for myself just now lol Engine Specifications: • Q45 90mm Throttle Body • Asnu 1000cc Injectors • Denso iridium grade 9 spark plugs • Battery Relocated to boot • Wire tuck and tidy up • Blitz LM FMIC • Blitz dump valve • Engine oil cooler kit • Greddy oil cap • HKS speed delimiter • HKS Cams • Supra etched stainless FMIC cover • Stainless fuse box cover • Polished manifold covers • Polished turbo pipe • Stainless radiator plate • Chromed radiator clamps • House techniques silicone hoses • TRD chrome strut brace Turbocharger & Induction: • Turbo technics large steel hybrid turbos (rated to 1.6bar/23psi) • Blitz SUS air intake filter Fuel & ECU: • 044 Bosch fuel pump • Top Feed Fuel Rail Kit • Fuel Flex Sensor • Aeromotive FPR and lines • Syvecs Ecu • Supra Adapter Harness • All syvecs sensors Fuel Type • V-Power • Methanol Exhaust: • SRD Intake Manifold Kit • Blitz nur spec R • Chris wilson downpipe Drivetrain: • V161 Getrag 6 speed gearbox • Stage 1 clutch Suspension, Wheels, Tires & Brakes: • 19" wheelmania vortex R (8.5" et 35 fronts , 9.5" et 35 rears) • Toyota bilstein yellow shocks • AP 6 pot front brake callipers • AP 356x36mm front brake disks • Goodridge braided bake lines • OEM Uk spec rear callipers • OEM Uk spec Rear disks and pads (have got spare disks/pads to go with the car aswell) Interior & ICE: • Toucan Display • Uprated speakers all round (makes to be confirmed) • Recaro seats • Bride RO sub frames • Isotta evoluzione steering wheel • Levoc carbon gear selector • Chrome speedo bezels • MOMO handbrake • Pioneer mp3/ipod/bluetooth single din head unit Exterior: • Top secret carbon bonnet with aerocatches • Top secret front bumper • Bomex side skirts (genuine) • OEM facelift headlights • OEM facelift rear lights • OEM facelift indicator and sidelights • Ridox carbon roof spoiler (genuine) • Do luck rear bumper • Do luck 3D carbon rear wing (genuine) • Vented front wings Performance • 455.8hp @ 1.4bar (flywheel) - Before the above work in red is started Edited October 29, 2013 by drift_bear (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriella Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 This must be the most expensive 60 hp extra ever. Good Luck. Look forward to results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Very nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 This must be the most expensive 60 hp extra ever. Good Luck. Look forward to results It will be plus if the turbos go then I've got everything there to go single and will just need a turbo and remap Very nice. Thanks dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxluc Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Roger that Lee. Good luck mate. Impressive figures on the hybrids. What was the torque at 1.4 bar Alex? - - - Updated - - - Roger that Lee. Good luck mate. Impressive figures on the hybrids. What was the torque at 1.4 bar Alex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 Roger that Lee. Good luck mate. Impressive figures on the hybrids. What was the torque at 1.4 bar Alex? - - - Updated - - - Roger that Lee. Good luck mate. Impressive figures on the hybrids. What was the torque at 1.4 bar Alex? Not to sure bud, will get lee to put them down. I was only sent the figure lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee P Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 360ftlbs & 382.7whp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 360ftlbs & 382.7whp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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