listy Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 I have searched for this but cant find anything. What will I need to convert from a 5 speed to a 6 speed? Other than the obvious Getrag box I know when going from auto to 6 speed there is all sorts of things to get hold of, but if its already manual, how much is there to get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geo Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 i know this is auto but could help you start it http://mkiv.com/techarticles/auto_to_6spd_swap/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Doom Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Gearbox, Clutch, Flywheel, Prop, TT diff (or just the flange from one to fit onto the NA diff) I think the slave cylinder is slightly different too but you might be ok with the NA one. I think that's about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listy Posted May 26, 2012 Author Share Posted May 26, 2012 Gearbox, Clutch, Flywheel, Prop, TT diff (or just the flange from one to fit onto the NA diff) I think the slave cylinder is slightly different too but you might be ok with the NA one. I think that's about it Mine is a TT Well NA-TT Already got a Stage 4 Competition Clutch, so thats sorted. TT fly is there, so is prop and diff. Would guess the slave is there too, as its a TT conversion. So would I just need the Getrag then? If you buy a box, would it generally come with the bell housing? Or would the one from the W58 fit a 6 speed getrag? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Doom Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 If you're running a W58 at the moment then you'll be using a 5-speed clutch & flywheel which won't fit the 6spd Getrag. They're totally different. The 5spd prop is also different so you'll need that too as the gearbox connections are different. If you've had a TT diff fitted at some point then I think the flange may have been changed to an NA one so that it mates up to your 5spd prop. Either that or you have a modified 5spd prop. Hope this helps. I went from w58 to a V161 6spd a while back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listy Posted May 26, 2012 Author Share Posted May 26, 2012 Damn, only got the clutch a couple thousand miles ago Ahh I see, I thought when going NA-TT the whole lot gets changed. Forgive my ignorance and lack of knowledge But hey, thats what this place is for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Doom Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 No probs I learnt everything i know about supras here! If you're going BPU then it's definitely worth doing the 6spd conversion as the 5spd's get a bit ropey around 400bhp. I broke 2 of them before I bought the 6spd box. Wish I'd done it in the first place and saved some money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listy Posted May 27, 2012 Author Share Posted May 27, 2012 Yeah thats what I'm thinking. Its close to bpu now, just needs an fcd and walbro, but I'd rather have the six speed before letting the engine go completely free Plus, hopefully I'll get a decent compensation payout from the army for my screwed knee (ACL detatched, ground away cartilidge ) then I'll be going single looking for around 550 - 600hp Just need to see what they give me really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Yeah thats what I'm thinking. Its close to bpu now, just needs an fcd and walbro, but I'd rather have the six speed before letting the engine go completely free Plus, hopefully I'll get a decent compensation payout from the army for my screwed knee (ACL detatched, ground away cartilidge ) then I'll be going single looking for around 550 - 600hp Just need to see what they give me really I sympathise with you as I ruined my Acl playing basketball 2years ago when it felt like I had snapped knee in half, My cartilage was badly torn too along with something else that I cant remember the name of and frankly at the time it was one of the most painful things I have ever done to myself. Luckily for me after 8months wait I had keyhole surgery where they fixed the cartilage and diagnosed the Acl tear and then a further 1 year wait until the NHS fixed my Acl and my cartilage again as I had smashed it all up from my knee buckling during the waiting stage and then woke me up to tell me I am showing signs of arthritis due to having a badly functioning knee for so long....... Just what you need when you are a roofer and not even 28 years old yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listy Posted May 27, 2012 Author Share Posted May 27, 2012 Yeah it sucks pretty bad lol I've got a specialist physio appointment on Wednesday, so hopefully they can send me for a scan pretty soon, as thats what my physio recommends. Then it will be, as you said, either keyhole if the acl looks ok, or slice me up if it isnt. Hopefully, its worst case, and the acl is detached and the cartilidge screwed, as every cloud has a bigger payout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 I had 1mm left of my Acl my knee cap needed shaving and scraping ect too but to be frank it still doesn't feel the same and I am somewhat apprehensive about pushing my luck with it due to knowing how much it hurts snapping it again and the time off from surgery as I had around 5+ months off from roofing and I would rather die than go through it again. They opted for the hamstring graft where they harvest 2 of the 3 you have and roll 2 of them together forming a new 7-8mm Acl ligament. Have a look on youtube as they show a video of the procedure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listy Posted May 27, 2012 Author Share Posted May 27, 2012 Although I know it needs to be done, I'm not liking the sounds of this operation! If its not going to be the same, that could end up with me getting medically discharged, so hopefully it wont go that far! But then, if it does, the payout I would get then would be a good deposit on a house, Top secret wide body, big single conversion, plus change lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 The problem for me is on the rehab/physio side of things I never did the running and cutting exercises where you jog one way and then turn but gradually building up the sharpness of the turn until you get to 90 degrees 180 ect but at first nothing drastic at all more like a J shape turn if you will, I would and still should do them exercises but I had gone back to work as I needed money at the time badly and I am just too cautious more likely but that was more due to me being off work for ages and not wanting to risk it. You have to get your Acl done as if you are like me when mine was snapped I could be walking along and turn and my leg would buckle really badly and I would struggle to walk properly for a week or so with a knee that would swell up really badly, The Acl can never repair as scar tissue does not really form right due to the fluid in your knee joint so you will spend the rest of your life with a unstable knee, The Nhs surgeons tried to pony me off with using physio to keep me going which although helps it will never heal and I could never safely run or play sports again or turn sharply without having it fixed and it took my physio writing to the surgeons telling them I have to have that operation to finally get it done. If I was you and are still waiting for your operation then get doing a load of exercises for your hamstrings, Squats against a wall with a physio ball against your lower back,lunges,wobble boards, side steps onto a bench ect (You can find out Acl exercises on the internet easily) so that they are as strong as possible before your operation as that way you will heal faster and give yourself a much better chance of being back to nearly 100% as possible. After your operation you go through around a 3-4 months post opp physio/rehab session that starts out at very little movements as laying down and sliding your knee/pushing your knee into the floor/bed to using wobble boards, step ups, treadmill running, Hopping and jumping and landing to finally the running and turning. Either way good luck to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listy Posted May 27, 2012 Author Share Posted May 27, 2012 Cheers mate great info Fortunately for me, I'm already undertaking physio to keep it going as best we can until the op. Also fortunately, at the stage of my career in the army I'm at, it will cost them less to get me sorted and fully fit again than it would to train someone else to the same level with the same quals. They say it costs the forces £38k just to train someone through basic training, plus 2 promotional courses on top (about 25k each) and specialist courses, instructor qualifications in Public Order, Close quarter combat, strike instructor, to the army I'm worth well over £200k!!!!! Nuts when you add it all up lol Hopefully I can get it strong enough to stay with the army once its done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Cheers mate great info Fortunately for me, I'm already undertaking physio to keep it going as best we can until the op. Also fortunately, at the stage of my career in the army I'm at, it will cost them less to get me sorted and fully fit again than it would to train someone else to the same level with the same quals. They say it costs the forces £38k just to train someone through basic training, plus 2 promotional courses on top (about 25k each) and specialist courses, instructor qualifications in Public Order, Close quarter combat, strike instructor, to the army I'm worth well over £200k!!!!! Nuts when you add it all up lol Hopefully I can get it strong enough to stay with the army once its done. Thats good that they will help you recover well, If you need anymore info then pm me and I will help you as best as possible and plus it stops this thread going off course even further Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listy Posted May 27, 2012 Author Share Posted May 27, 2012 Cheers mate, and fair point So......5 to 6 speed conversion......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaft Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 ive a w58 at the moment, broke 2, on my 3rd now....time for a 6 speed!!! so parts needed are: Gearbox Flywheel Clutch Prop (min front section-if using na diff) Slave cylinder Clutch fork & release bearing Selector shaft & gearstick Anything im forgetting?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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