Green Peace Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Seriously Dont understand this. WHY???????? It always seems to be BMW drivers mostly...and when they are going faster..is it because they are going So fast that they dont have time to keep the indicators going for longer..? What is the psychology behind this?..Please enlighten me.. Surely If you are travelling fast you need to give more indication so other road users can see where you are going.. When I'm driving fast my indicators stay on longer so everyone knows where Im going and to give them more chance of seeing me if Ive krept up at a high speed and they arn't aware of me.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 i do a single blink when pulling back into say the slow lane after passing someone in the middle lane (surely middle lane hoggers infuriate you more?) when im going a lot quicker than they are, and noone else is nearby. in such an instance only one flash is required, as you are no longer of a consequence of the person you passed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 You don't need to indicate when going into a slower lane anyway. I was told not to when being taught to drive - as nobody should be coming from there anyway to undertake and therefore there's no-one to warn. I generally give 1 flash though same as you. As for all other times, I normally hold the indicator in the half way point so I don't need to flick it back when I'm done, usually 3 flashes at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 If you're paying attention you'll see the single flash, if you're not, chances are you haven't even noticed me anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 You don't need to indicate when going into a slower lane anyway. I was told not to when being taught to drive - as nobody should be coming from there anyway to undertake and therefore there's no-one to warn. I generally give 1 flash though same as you. Surely that's a big no no?! What if you're on a 3 lane motorway and someone slightly ahead in the left lane is moving into the middle just after you've overtaken and are also moving into the left lane? They might look in their mirror, see you in the right lane (not indicating) and think you are carrying on in that lane. I'd rather indicate just in case! Might save your life. Where's Class One when you need his expertise!? Probably out I guess, it is Friday night! GP - I know what you mean, I hate it even more when people indicate half way through changing lanes etc! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 i indicate anytime i move out of my lane, regardless of whether there's a car there or not (do it without thinkin now). surely it's safer to indicate even if you're movin into a slower lane, people undertake all the time now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 He is correct. Or at least that is what I was taught also. No need to indicate to move back into the slower lane because you HAVE to move into the slower lane once you have made your overtaking manouever (don't forget they are overtaking lanes, not "fast" lanes) therefore other road users should be expecting you to do so. Bit of an odd one, it makes sense both ways when you play the "always indicate if someones around that needs to know" card too. As for the nearside lane and offside lane both pulling into the middle lane simulatneously- well a) nearside lane should know that outside lane car would move back over b) in theory you should never be "trapped" in a position like that c) both should be paying attention and then you'd read the sitauation in advance of it becomming an issue We've all seen it happen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Which leads me onto a slight hijack (sorry) OK, if you have middle lane and offside lane morons doing less than 70 and you are in the nearside lane and it's clear, are you honestly suppsed to slow down, slower than them eventhough they should be in the nearside lane but are scared to for fear of losing man points or whatever it's all about??? every day I get this. every damn day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 hmmmm, i (like everyone hopefully) was taught that you have to move back into the left lane once you've made your manouevre. i was also taught that you still need to indicate even though people should expect you to do so. just down to different thinkin etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 As a matter of courtesy to other road users I always indicate. Other car drivers are not mind readers, although you would think that they must think I can read minds as 30% of the time I have to guess there direction of travel or intention as they dont bother to indicate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Which leads me onto a slight hijack (sorry) OK, if you have middle lane and offside lane morons doing less than 70 and you are in the nearside lane and it's clear, are you honestly suppsed to slow down, slower than them eventhough they should be in the nearside lane but are scared to for fear of losing man points or whatever it's all about??? every day I get this. every damn day. i would still slow down and not undertake yeah. someone would probably swerve in front of me as i'm undertakin just to pish me off. i just end up bearing it or sometimes give them a flash from the inside lane signallin that it's ok for them to pull in front to me (i.e. not flashin my lights at them coz i'm mad). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 I would undertake, keeping a careful eye on the other driver. I understand it isn't an offence if the outer lane is moving slower than the inner lane (this can apply to just one car) and you haven't changed from outer to inner then back to outer in a deliberate "undertaking" maneuver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 hmmmm, i (like everyone hopefully) was taught that you have to move back into the left lane once you've made your manouevre. i was also taught that you still need to indicate even though people should expect you to do so. just down to different thinkin etc etc You're right on the first part, but according to the highway code you do not need to indicate when returning to a lane after overtaking a car. Think about it like this - you're on a two lane B road (one lane each way), you indicate to overtake a car in front, but you do not indicate to tell other driver sthat you are returning to the 'correct' lane. That said, I do indicate if there is a biker behind that I'm letting past (just to make sure they don't try to overtake on the left at the same time I get out of their way!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 You're right on the first part, but according to the highway code you do not need to indicate when returning to a lane after overtaking a car. Think about it like this - you're on a two lane B road (one lane each way), you indicate to overtake a car in front, but you do not indicate to tell other driver sthat you are returning to the 'correct' lane. That said, I do indicate if there is a biker behind that I'm letting past (just to make sure they don't try to overtake on the left at the same time I get out of their way!) lol i still indicate even when returnin to the lane (unless im doin more than 100 and hangin on for dear life!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 I would undertake, keeping a careful eye on the other driver. I understand it isn't an offence if the outer lane is moving slower than the inner lane (this can apply to just one car) and you haven't changed from outer to inner then back to outer in a deliberate "undertaking" maneuver. I've heard the same many times now but never really seen anyone 'official' confirm the legalities of it (Hasn't stopped me doing it ). I'd be interested to hear from Class One on this, hopefully he'll spot this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Thing that pisses me off more is people not indicating at all at roundabouts!! Seems to happen all the time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Which leads me onto a slight hijack (sorry) OK, if you have middle lane and offside lane morons doing less than 70 and you are in the nearside lane and it's clear, are you honestly suppsed to slow down, slower than them eventhough they should be in the nearside lane but are scared to for fear of losing man points or whatever it's all about??? every day I get this. every damn day. If I am cruising at a steady speed, then I will carry on and cruise right by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Thing that pisses me off more is people not indicating at all at roundabouts!! Seems to happen all the time! This pisses me off too - it seems to be: - The older generation (i.e. completely ignorant that other people use the roads) - The "BMW" driver (i.e. completely ignorant that other people use the roads) - The idiot chav (i.e. completely ignorant that other people use the roads) Must admit (Thought this is a gross generalisation) that the majority of the 25 to 40 year olds I see on the roads have the better road behaviour in terms of using correct signalling and interpreting other peoples manoeuvres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Rendar Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 If you get a single-blink from a BMW driver, then you should count yourself lucky that they considered you worthy of any sort of indication at all. Afterall, BMW-drivers don't need to abide by the same rules as other motorists. Seriously though, the "no need to signal when returning to a lane after overtaking" surely only applies if the only vehicle that could potentially be affected is the one you have just passed. If there are other vehicles near by, you should always signal your intentions, even if what you are about to do is blatantly obvious (i.e. moving back over after overtaking). Just because we assume we're good drivers and pay attention to our surroundings doesn't mean that other road users are... So they need ample warning!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Seriously Dont understand this. WHY???????? OK not a BMW but, when the new shape Merc E class came out, it was my hire car while in Germany and I found that the indicator stalk had a new feature - You could just push it up or down with a quick flick and it would automatically flick back into position but, flash 3 times and then reset itself. Maybe BMW came up with the same idea but, only one flash ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Seriously though, the "no need to signal when returning to a lane after overtaking" surely only applies if the only vehicle that could potentially be affected is the one you have just passed. If there are other vehicles near by, you should always signal your intentions, even if what you are about to do is blatantly obvious (i.e. moving back over after overtaking). Totally understand what you are getting at and in many cases agree, however the highway code says that it is not "required". The highway code also says that speed limits must not be broken.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickyboy Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Which leads me onto a slight hijack (sorry) OK, if you have middle lane and offside lane morons doing less than 70 and you are in the nearside lane and it's clear, are you honestly suppsed to slow down, slower than them eventhough they should be in the nearside lane but are scared to for fear of losing man points or whatever it's all about??? every day I get this. every damn day. Surely that's just traffic and you can buzz them on the inside lane? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Erm... that's me. Do it when pulling back in on a motorway and when overtaking a parked car... sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_M Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 If you get a single-blink from a BMW driver, then you should count yourself lucky that they considered you worthy of any sort of indication at all. Afterall, BMW-drivers don't need to abide by the same rules as other motorists. Isn't this an optional extra on the BMW? The Directional Awareness Package Seriously though, even if indicators weren't a legality, it'd make good sense to use them as much as possible to warn other drivers of your intentions. I don't think that you could indicate too much as long as you're indicating correctly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Peace Posted August 5, 2005 Author Share Posted August 5, 2005 OK not a BMW but, when the new shape Merc E class came out, it was my hire car while in Germany and I found that the indicator stalk had a new feature - You could just push it up or down with a quick flick and it would automatically flick back into position but, flash 3 times and then reset itself. Maybe BMW came up with the same idea but, only one flash ? Ahhh so now I know...does annoy me though..dont know why...its almost become like a trend over the years..I continue to indicate with at least 4 flicks when I tank it along (old school of driving or not) I indicate when I change lanes (regardless) I also indicate on rounderbout exits...because I know how annoying it can be if you are waiting to enter onto a rounderbout and you are sat there assuming the bloke in the other car is going all the way round. 'Bring back the use of the indicators...its retro...it can still be 'COOL' if we continue to acknowledge their existance' I just see the 'Single flickers' as arrogant twats with no consideration and some kind of 'small dick' problem going on in their heads!!!! Si (Im bit pissed forgive me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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