thetrashcanman Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Hi again everyone After my other thread detailing the woes I have had with my N/A supra's Clutch (basically needs a new one) I'm now also thinking replacing the cambelt on the car, as I'm not totally sure if its ever been done, I have a receipt for the timing belt, but I'm assuming on this they mean the auxiliary belt? As the belt was £43 and labour came to just £70 so far the car has done a mixture of Km and Miles and reads 82,000 miles. Hence why I am slightly cacking myself if the cambelt hasn't been done, I know its relatively cheap to by N/A engines if the cambelt did go, but I have no idea who I could get to fit a new engine, as I doubt I could do it myself unfortunately unless there's some sort of guide. So basically... HELP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Dont panic, a cam belt isnt a big job. Not a 70 quid for labour job, but not massive. And anyway, if the belt does snap (unlikely) the engine wont be damaged as its non interference, so no valve/piston interface action Best thing to do is remove the top cam belt cover and have a look at it, if it looks new then its been done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrashcanman Posted May 15, 2012 Author Share Posted May 15, 2012 Dont panic, a cam belt isnt a big job. Not a 70 quid for labour job, but not massive. And anyway, if the belt does snap (unlikely) the engine wont be damaged as its non interference, so no valve/piston interface action Best thing to do is remove the top cam belt cover and have a look at it, if it looks new then its been done. Oh that's interesting, ok excuse my noobness here, but how can it be non interface? I understand the concept, but surely you have to have the valves near the pistions? and again apologies for the noobness but which part is the top cambelt cover? Also I was quoted from my local garage (which I have the work booked in for this monday coming) quoted me around £300 which is £80 for the cambelt kit £150 for labour + VAT. Does that sound about right? And thanks very much for the quick post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike33 Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Hiya I had mine cambelt and timing belt changed last month. i bought both belts of keron (look him up as he sells parts very well priced) Both belts were £60 ish inc vat. The job is 3hours work. My garaged charged me £120.00+ vat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrashcanman Posted May 15, 2012 Author Share Posted May 15, 2012 Ok I've just realized, is the top cam belt cover, the bit with toyota 3000 at the front of the engine? I would have edited my last post and put this in, but didn't want someone to miss this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveR Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 cam belt = timing belt = cam belt The valves are near the pistons, but never are they near enough that they could crash into each other if the belt snaps. VVTi engines aren't the same, but yours is non VVTi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrashcanman Posted May 15, 2012 Author Share Posted May 15, 2012 Cheers for the advice so far guys, the whole lot on the receipt I have for the timing belt was £120 I think ex VAT does that sound about right? Think I will have a look under top cam belt cover tomorrow, what should I be looking for to tell if the belts on its last legs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike33 Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 sorry i ment cambelt and aux belt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 If it looks cracked, stretched, bits fraying off it etc. If you can see any markings on it like the Toyota name then thats a clue its been changed fairly recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellstrom Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 cam belt = timing belt = cam belt The valves are near the pistons, but never are they near enough that they could crash into each other if the belt snaps. VVTi engines aren't the same, but yours is non VVTi? Did they increase lift/compression in the vvti? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 If it relaxes you some more after your inspection, i've been on here for a decade and can only ever remember one thread about a cambelt going, and this was after a suspected poor fitment/tensioning of a recently replaced belt. http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?16022-Cambelt You would be better off checking if the front pulley is the original and if it is putting the money aside for changing that in the short'ish term and these do fail on a far more regular basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrashcanman Posted May 15, 2012 Author Share Posted May 15, 2012 cam belt = timing belt = cam belt The valves are near the pistons, but never are they near enough that they could crash into each other if the belt snaps. VVTi engines aren't the same, but yours is non VVTi? Dont panic, a cam belt isnt a big job. Not a 70 quid for labour job, but not massive. And anyway, if the belt does snap (unlikely) the engine wont be damaged as its non interference, so no valve/piston interface action Best thing to do is remove the top cam belt cover and have a look at it, if it looks new then its been done. How would I know if my engine is Non VVTi? Also just so I'm doubly sure, could someone show me a picture of the top cam belt cover, and also how should I go about taking it off? Many thanks for all your help so far everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D8MOA Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 hopefully the garage wont have any issues getting the crank pully off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrashcanman Posted May 15, 2012 Author Share Posted May 15, 2012 hopefully the garage wont have any issues getting the crank pully off What now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 How would I know if my engine is Non VVTi? Also just so I'm doubly sure, could someone show me a picture of the top cam belt cover, and also how should I go about taking it off? Many thanks for all your help so far everyone Your engine is non vvti trust me. The cover is the bit you described earlier with Toyota 3000 on it, you need an Allen key and there are (I think) 6 bolts 4 easily seen on top and then 2 more, one each side, nearer the front of the cover and down a little. You may need to remove the oil filler cap to get the cover off. Just make sure you don't drop any bolts down the now exposed cam area. Admire your recently fitted cambelt, confirm there is no fraying or presence of oil etc, refit and enjoy years of non cambelt breaking motoring.......or look at the cambelt, convince yourself it hasn't been done and that the invoice is a fabrication and get it done anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 What now? The bolts can be notoriously tight.....................sometimes a 'simple' cambelt change can cause more problems if a garage using certain ways and means to get the job done. 11 odd years ago I remember trundling home in my first NA, paranoid the cambelt would 'go' as it had no history..............I didn't know it but I was worried about nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrashcanman Posted May 15, 2012 Author Share Posted May 15, 2012 Your engine is non vvti trust me. The cover is the bit you described earlier with Toyota 3000 on it, you need an Allen key and there are (I think) 6 bolts 4 easily seen on top and then 2 more, one each side, nearer the front of the cover and down a little. You may need to remove the oil filler cap to get the cover off. Just make sure you don't drop any bolts down the now exposed cam area. Admire your recently fitted cambelt, confirm there is no fraying or presence of oil etc, refit and enjoy years of non cambelt breaking motoring.......or look at the cambelt, convince yourself it hasn't been done and that the invoice is a fabrication and get it done anyway! Thanks mate, the guy I purchased it from said it has been done, I'm just wondering if when I say cambelt he maybe thinks I mean the auxilary belt, but I will check the belt tomorrow, and go from there, shall let you guys know what I find out, I think I might actually post a picture on here as well, to get your expert opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrashcanman Posted May 16, 2012 Author Share Posted May 16, 2012 Right so I got around to taking the top cover for the cambelt off and from what I can see and with my limited knowledge the cambelt looks in good nick. thought I would post a couple of pictures, so other people could give me there opinions as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 That looks fine to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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