Jellybean Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) Does anybody know or recommend what settings to use for the Suspension? Going to get the Tracking done TRD Bilstein Shocks-- Fixed rate Made by BILSTEIN TRD Springs -- Front K=117.6N/mm Rear K=49.0N/mm Currently I have an issue with front inside excessive tyre wear What I would like to know is Front: • Camber - X degrees +/- X • Caster X +/- X degrees • Toe Rear: • Camber - • Toe Edited May 1, 2012 by Jellybean (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) Does anybody know or recommend what settings to use for the Suspension? Going to get the Tracking done Settings for suspension geometry and settings for tracking are two different ball games. Tracking for stock suspension settings is parallel. Edited May 1, 2012 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 Settings for the suspension and settings for the tracking are two different ball games. Tracking for stock suspension settings is parallel. I just taught it is regarded as Suspension setup considering the tie rods, camber arms are suspension componets I am confused when you say "Tracking for stock suspension settings is parallel" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackin_n_bashin Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 You could always start with this http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/lance_alignment/index.html and work from there, this is what I'm doing at the minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 The stock gte set up is this as far as im aware. Front Camber negative 0 degrees 30 minutes + or - 45 minutes Caster 3 degrees 30 minutes + or - 45 minutes Toe in 0 degrees + or - 12 minutes Rear Camber negative 1 degree 30 minutes + or - 45 minutes Toe in 0 degrees 18 minutes + or - 12 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) My set up is this . Front Camber negative 1 degree Caster 4 degrees Toe in total 0 degrees 7 minutes Rear Camber negative 2 degrees Toe in total 0 degrees 27 minutes My rears have worn very well and are pretty even across the whole width of the tyre, the fronts have wear on the inner edge but not very bad and the car drives very nicely and feels very stable Edited May 1, 2012 by Dnk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 The stock gte set up is this as far as im aware. Front Camber negative 0 degrees 30 minutes + or - 45 minutes Caster 3 degrees 30 minutes + or - 45 minutes Toe in 0 degrees + or - 12 minutes Rear Camber negative 1 degree 30 minutes + or - 45 minutes Toe in 0 degrees 18 minutes + or - 12 minutes Thanks Dunk, I will work off this ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 I have on my car got Front Camber negative 1 degree Caster 4 degrees Toe in total 0 degress 7 minutes Rear Camber negative 2 degrees Toe in total 0 degrees 27 minutes tyre wear all good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 tyre wear all good? I've edited post 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 I've edited post 6 thanks I will give it a go! With those Settings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) thanks I will give it a go! With those Settings! Go nearer to stock if you can and you'll get better wear on the fronts Edited May 1, 2012 by Dnk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robzki Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I have major problems with wear on the front tyres, it is strange as it is literally only the inside 1"-1 1/2", This part of the tyre wears through to the wire while the rest of the tyre is pretty much evenly worn with 4-5mm of tread left when the tyres need replacing. I would have thought that if this was a tracking/geo issue the tyre would be worn evenly from lots of tread on the outside to none on the inside? The only thing I can think is that the plastic arch liner is rubbing when the car is at speed and is forced down slightly by airflow. I'm confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Good article here on suspension setups http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/align.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) I have major problems with wear on the front tyres, it is strange as it is literally only the inside 1"-1 1/2", This part of the tyre wears through to the wire while the rest of the tyre is pretty much evenly worn with 4-5mm of tread left when the tyres need replacing. I would have thought that if this was a tracking/geo issue the tyre would be worn evenly from lots of tread on the outside to none on the inside? The only thing I can think is that the plastic arch liner is rubbing when the car is at speed and is forced down slightly by airflow. I'm confused. It'll be your geometry for sure, has it ever been checked, what is it now. I'd guess your fronts are toe ing out rather than parallel or a bit of toe in Edited May 1, 2012 by Dnk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robzki Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Never been checked Dunk, I'm trying to find some shocks and then have a setup, I was just confused that it literally is just the inside 1" the rest of the tyre is perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 Never been checked Dunk, I'm trying to find some shocks and then have a setup, I was just confused that it literally is just the inside 1" the rest of the tyre is perfect. I am the same ;( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robzki Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I am the same ;( The same as in fitting shocks or the damage to the inside edge? I haven't seen any mention of strange wear like mine its generally the whole tyre that wears unevenly. would be nice if someone else has the same problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) At least get the tracking done even using simple tracking sticks, unless you have a mechanical issue then my money would be on your fronts are toe ing out which will scrub the inner edge of the tyre, if its too much toe in then you scrub the outer edge. Same would apply to the rears and if the rears were toe ing out your car would oversteer Too much camber will also hurt the inner edges Edited May 1, 2012 by Dnk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 The same as in fitting shocks or the damage to the inside edge? I haven't seen any mention of strange wear like mine its generally the whole tyre that wears unevenly. would be nice if someone else has the same problem inside edge on my fronts , rest of the tyre wears at a good even rate but my front inside edges now are down to the wire. I still have roughly 3mm based on the markings but the inner edge has a rip , just a little concerned about putting the new tyres on. Too much negative camber on the front of mine I suspect When I put on the tyres I noticed it wearing excessively on the inside edge so go her tracked, as far as I am aware she is set based on Toyota Settings Rears on mine are good, even wear so I wont touch them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robzki Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Should have said my tracking has been done and hasn't changed the wear rate. I'll get a pic up when the car gets back here. The car is too low and the plastic arch liner has bent slightly over the years. there is a gap between the tyre and the liner at a standstill and had assumed that the car would obviously get lower still with weight in it and being forced onto the road at speed. I may remove the liner when I get new tyres on and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 Should have said my tracking has been done and hasn't changed the wear rate. I'll get a pic up when the car gets back here. The car is too low and the plastic arch liner has bent slightly over the years. there is a gap between the tyre and the liner at a standstill and had assumed that the car would obviously get lower still with weight in it and being forced onto the road at speed. I may remove the liner when I get new tyres on and see what happens. I would suspect at the rate the wheel is moving it would rip off your arch liner if it was rubbing excessively against it; I would be very surprised if it is the arch liner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 Two websites have this as stock setup, can anybody confirm? FACTORY ALIGNMENT SPECIFICATION Front: • Camber - 0.5 degrees +/- 0.75 • Caster +3.5 +/- 0.75 degrees • Toe 0.00 +/- 0.80" (2 mm) Rear: • Camber -1.50 +/- 0.75 • Toe 3.0mm Toe In +/- 0.080" (2mm) http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/lance_alignment/index.html http://www.suprastore.com/alignment.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 SupraForum guys seem to recommend Lances Alignment http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/lance_alignment/index.html Front: Camber - 1.0 degrees Caster + 5.0 degrees Toe 0.00 mm Rear: Camber -1.5 degrees Toe in (total) 1.00 mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 Should have said my tracking has been done and hasn't changed the wear rate. I'll get a pic up when the car gets back here. The car is too low and the plastic arch liner has bent slightly over the years. there is a gap between the tyre and the liner at a standstill and had assumed that the car would obviously get lower still with weight in it and being forced onto the road at speed. I may remove the liner when I get new tyres on and see what happens. Useful info Rapid inside tread wear is typically due to toe alignment. If the toe is correctly aligned on the lift (static toe), it is most likely that worn bushings are causing the tire to excessively toe-in under power (dynamic toe) which will cause the tires to excessively wear on the inside tread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) Thats exactly what i posted for you as regards the settings just written out long hand and in degrees and minutes. Im not sure why youd go to 5 degrees of caster though, that would help the car in a straight line but make the steering heavier. As i said earlier you either have a mechanical issue causing the tyre wear or its more than likely your fronts are toe ing out scrubbing the inner edge of the tyre. Edited May 1, 2012 by Dnk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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