Robzki Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 what we need to give them are condoms if anything, less people = more water and food for each of them Or they could get married, would achieve the same goal but at less cost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubbyTwo Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Or they could get married, would achieve the same goal but at less cost Maintenance Bills are alot higher with that option though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Aren't you? Absolutely certain that this government are indeed putting people out of work, with their money saving cut backs etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Absolutely certain that this government are indeed putting people out of work, with their money saving cut backs etc. I'm not so sure you can blame the Government actually. It's doing a fair bit to get people back into work, in fact. The financial melt-down hasn't been caused by the UK Government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz1 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 I'm not so sure you can blame the Government actually. It's doing a fair bit to get people back into work, in fact. The financial melt-down hasn't been caused by the UK Government. Agree, it is the people behind the government . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 I'm not so sure you can blame the Government actually. It's doing a fair bit to get people back into work, in fact. The financial melt-down hasn't been caused by the UK Government. They sure like to be seen as doing the right thing, meanwhile they cut back the armed forces, the police, make things so hard for smaller business's that they have no option but to close, we are supposed to trust what they say, yet they are blatantly corrupt. Yet people just don't seen to question anything these days, they just lie down and take it, don't understand todays mentality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Heres a couple of photos of a reservoir in Cumbria, how it looks now and how it usually looks. Apparently there will be a hose pipe ban in the NW from friday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Mind you i am getting sick of the adds at every commercial break, asking for money, what gets me is we have been giving money to these country's since the late 60s for support, bore holes, pumps, food etc, and they still haven't overcome any of the problems. Aww, poor you, having to look at images of people starving and dying in the ad break. The problems are very large, the debt is very large, few countries give the aid they promise, geography and climate make for a range of diseases we don't face in Europe, and for less reliable agriculture, corruption can be endemic in relatively new countries....and so on, and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Water companies need to be penalised for the millions of gallons of water that they waste on a daily basis due to burst / leaking pipes - its down to their lack of investment in the system that we are paying the price for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Is ignorance like a genuine hobby for you or something? I don't see how you can be so against all the 'illegals' you moan about yet at the same time berate the services and decisions of your beloved country. That's all backwards mate. Pick a subject to moan about and stick to it I don't agree with you so I'm ignorant, how mature of you. BTW, my hobby is winding up people like yourself, doing well at it aren't I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Have any Africans sent us their 2 quids yet then?? Nice one, I'm waiting for Geldof to come knocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Water companies need to be penalised for the millions of gallons of water that they waste on a daily basis due to burst / leaking pipes - its down to their lack of investment in the system that we are paying the price for. We agree on yet another subject, this is getting worrying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Financially supporting any third world country hell bent on having a population growth that wildly exceeds its infrastructure and the natural means to feed itself is pointless. If you give £100 quid this year you'd need to give £500 the following year as they'd be breeding faster still. Making a nation ever more dependent on charity is never going to make it stronger, better or more stable. Nature is a great leveller of excessive population growth, always has been, always will be, leave her to it. Anything else is sentimental tosh, or political correctness. It might make you feel, or in some circles, even look good, but in the grand scale of things it's either pointless or making a bad situation even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Financially supporting any third world country hell bent on having a population growth that wildly exceeds its infrastructure and the natural means to feed itself is pointless. If you give £100 quid this year you'd need to give £500 the following year as they'd be breeding faster still. Making a nation ever more dependent on charity is never going to make it stronger, better or more stable. Nature is a great leveller of excessive population growth, always has been, always will be, leave her to it. Anything else is sentimental tosh, or political correctness. It might make you feel, or in some circles, even look good, but in the grand scale of things it's either pointless or making a bad situation even worse. Exactly, nature makes the rules and it's pouring good money after bad, as you say it's actually for their own selfish reasons that people give and they can't see the bigger picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 I didn't actually say or suggest people give for selfish reasons, I guess most give with the best will in the world, but without considering the full implications of encouraging further population growth. Giving to charity for tax benefit reasons is a different kettle of fish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 I didn't actually say or suggest people give for selfish reasons, I guess most give with the best will in the world, but without considering the full implications of encouraging further population growth. Giving to charity for tax benefit reasons is a different kettle of fish... OK, I'm agreeing that they do it because they don't look at the whole picture when giving. Band Aid was meant to be the end of it, long term projects etc. yet the problem is worse than ever now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Anyway, back to hosepipe bans. How can they reduce the service/goods they offer me yet still charge the same, no rebate? No other business would get away with this, it's fraud or theft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Financially supporting any third world country hell bent on having a population growth that wildly exceeds its infrastructure and the natural means to feed itself is pointless. If you give £100 quid this year you'd need to give £500 the following year as they'd be breeding faster still. Making a nation ever more dependent on charity is never going to make it stronger, better or more stable. Nature is a great leveller of excessive population growth, always has been, always will be, leave her to it. Anything else is sentimental tosh, or political correctness. It might make you feel, or in some circles, even look good, but in the grand scale of things it's either pointless or making a bad situation even worse. Just because poverty correlates with overpopulation doesn't mean poverty causes overpopulation. Most think it's the other way around. Once development and affluence arise, population growth starts falling. That's what happened in our own history: although contraception had an impact, the bigger influence on controlling population growth was rising affluence. Populations with falling infant mortality but no social support do increase. Again, this happened in the UK. One option to reverse this would be to deny the majority world any access to medicine or vaccinations. oes this strike you as an equitable solution? We got there first, so tough, your destiny is to stay where you are? The alternative is development and education, which is the aim of the majority of aid (for all its faults, and danger of creating dependency). The argument that nature should run its course is philosophically specious and morally bankrupt. However, it plays well to anyone who wears their callousness and tribalism like badges of honour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Aww, poor you, having to look at images of people starving and dying in the ad break. The problems are very large, the debt is very large, few countries give the aid they promise, geography and climate make for a range of diseases we don't face in Europe, and for less reliable agriculture, corruption can be endemic in relatively new countries....and so on, and so on. Financially supporting any third world country hell bent on having a population growth that wildly exceeds its infrastructure and the natural means to feed itself is pointless. If you give £100 quid this year you'd need to give £500 the following year as they'd be breeding faster still. Making a nation ever more dependent on charity is never going to make it stronger, better or more stable. Nature is a great leveller of excessive population growth, always has been, always will be, leave her to it. Anything else is sentimental tosh, or political correctness. It might make you feel, or in some circles, even look good, but in the grand scale of things it's either pointless or making a bad situation even worse. I agree Chris, saved me coming up with a suitably succinct and intellectually up to par reply for Mr Tannhauser:p Yes i do object to being constantly bombarded with visions of starving children etc, just to guilt trip me into giving more money, that i cant afford, to line the pockets of so called charities, there is something very wrong with the whole charity system, when the administration draw big salaries, and the rest gets drawn off by TV adds, and running costs, so a very small percentage actually gets spent on anything useful, especially those set up for the third world counties, so yes it does piss me off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Financially supporting any third world country hell bent on having a population growth that wildly exceeds its infrastructure and the natural means to feed itself is pointless. If you give £100 quid this year you'd need to give £500 the following year as they'd be breeding faster still. Making a nation ever more dependent on charity is never going to make it stronger, better or more stable. Nature is a great leveller of excessive population growth, always has been, always will be, leave her to it. Anything else is sentimental tosh, or political correctness. It might make you feel, or in some circles, even look good, but in the grand scale of things it's either pointless or making a bad situation even worse. Turned this individual from http://bigpondmusic.com/images/AlbumCoverArt/181/XXL/Loudmouth-The-Best-Of-Bob-Geldof-The-Boomtown-Rats.jpg to SIR http://www.thegulfintelligence.com/Code/ShowThumbnail.aspx?type=2&width=400&path=bf80c07b-7018-473f-9cdb-4122429743b3.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra Gaz Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Its peeing it down outside now, my supra is dirty, so is the golf too actually but who cares about VW's. I feel I should be allowed to go and clean my car with the water I pay for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I don't agree with you so I'm ignorant, how mature of you. Mate, I have never once in my life tried to be mature. It's boring. BTW, my hobby is winding up people like yourself, doing well at it aren't I. Not really. You're just making yourself look more ridiculous, which is actually the most surprising thing about this thread. I'm genuinely surprised you can still manage it after all these years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I wonder if Tannhauser can give me an example of where charity paid to the third world has made a long term, independently proven benefit to that country's stability, economic growth, and in particular, population stability? The WORLD is overpopulated by mankind, I honestly see the only long term solution coming from nature or a cataclysmic war. If anyone things their handouts going to tribal hell holes in the third world will really make any long term difference to regions that have been blighted by famine, warfare and wandering borders for hundreds of years they have a diffrent perception of the places to myself. I am more worried about the ongoing tribalisation of the UK than the Sudan, to be honest. And yes, I think I just invented a new word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 We are the creators of our own downfall, best go knock up my sandwich board and get down the high st Anyone watch the program on Easter Island ? Were all doomed i tell ya,, doooomed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 The weather's so foul anyway, why would you bother washing the car? Mine was white a couple of weeks ago, now turning slowly grey/beige from the ground up. I do think it's a bit more important to grow food than have a clean old Toyota. Would it be useful for the forum to have a few links to OCD self help sites? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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