Lee P Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 If the oil seal has been fitted in too far it will leak, this is the number 1 problem for fms leaks. The dyno was reading a little under that day tbh, alot of people had the same sort of results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bailey Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 Yeah i remember there was a black supra which was fully bpu and has hybrids @ 1.4 bar and it made around 360bhp not sure what bar he was running at though - But even that seemed low for hybrids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bailey Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 With what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 I will only wish you the best with the rebuild and replacement parts sorting everything out if you please, please, pleeeeeeeease start typing "bought" and not "brought". They mean different things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bailey Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 My bad! I always seem to make that mistake I dont know whats wrong with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 so it costing 2k for the full rebuild or just the stem seals and pump ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bailey Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 It would of been around 2k for the stem seals and oil pump. I know that the stem seal kits are cheap its just the labour thats expensive. The oil pump was around £700 fitted. Well thats what Paul at whifbitz quoted my dad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 2K wouldn't cover a full rebuild either, not with the stem seals and oil pump. Best bet is speak to Paul and ask him what's being done (and just as importantly, why - with what aim?) Neither of those items will add power. As has been said earlier, a full rebuild would entail far more items, more work and more £s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 IMO you should just trust what one of the most experienced guys in the scene has said, not listen to what the forum has to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 I take it a leak down test showed a problem, strange how you and dad go from saying we have only a little money to spend on the car to lets rebuild the engine when it prob does not need anything other than the pump and VSOS !!!! If your baseing the reasoning on a dyno run done in a rushed manner on a charity day then thats madness, when we are trying to dyno as many cars as poss we cannot tie them in and keep making adjustments to get the best reading, I doubt any cars read that low on the day but with more time you may have gained say 10hp, as for reading low my car made 603 hp the day before and according to Terry saunders the turbo maxxes out at around 600hp and a 2 ltr seat made 453 hp yesterday so I dont think it reads low at all:blink: I think your Supra ownership is going to be a very short and expensive one because both you and your dad do not seem to be able to relax and make an informed decision, he decided to try a new exhaust, but before even fitting it which I told him you could do at Austec for free as part of your work experience he decides to rebuild an engine, absolute madness. As for an exhaust not effecting power, what a load of bollox, Mark Newman lost 70 hp between exhausts and they were 3". I must say you guys are the customers garages dream of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 (edited) Should it really need vsos and oil pump at 57k ? maybe its really 157k Edited April 6, 2012 by Dnk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin-mkiv Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 I will only wish you the best with the rebuild and replacement parts sorting everything out if you please, please, pleeeeeeeease start typing "bought" and not "brought". They mean different things. I sooo wanted to say this too..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Should it really need vsos and oil pump at 57k ? maybe its really 157k That is a point Dnk, but ive seen VSOS go hard on very low mileage cars before !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Yeah i remember there was a black supra which was fully bpu and has hybrids @ 1.4 bar and it made around 360bhp not sure what bar he was running at though - But even that seemed low for hybrids. A man was walking with his grandson and said to him, grandson do you see all these houses, I built these but do people call me Pepe the house builder??? No they do not. Do you see all these roads? I built them, do they call me Pepe the road builder ? No they do not, see all the gardens, I built them, do they call me Pepe the builder of gardens??? No they do not !!!! But you s***g the one sheep and !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you know I have NEVER been told my dyno reads too high LOL. We had one clown tell us it was 300hp down on his yank engined Capri and he did not want to pay his bill, he told us the Capri was at least 850hp !!!! So i offered the solution of putting his 850 hp Crapi against the old black car when it was around 700hp on a mile length of dual carriageway, I said if he could pull away from me he would not have to pay the bill, he declined !!!! If you are chasing HP prepare to spend a LOT of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 That is a point Dnk, but ive seen VSOS go hard on very low mileage cars before !!!! It can be just an age thing i guess but surely the oil pump will be fine ? a simple test should show if its kicking out enough oil pressure, mines fine and done 134k. Unless the owner wants a special engine building then surely its a case of do some checks, leak down and oil pressure and if okay whip the head off and pop the vsos on and job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 It can be just an age thing i guess but surely the oil pump will be fine ? a simple test should show if its kicking out enough oil pressure, mines fine and done 134k. Unless the owner wants a special engine building then surely its a case of do some checks, leak down and oil pressure and if okay whip the head off and pop the vsos on and job done. I would agree with that Dnk, we built a 130,000 mile UK engine, it was like new inside, it was criminal to build it but the customer wanted to keep the car 'matching numbers' he had had it from it being a demonstrator !!! Why do we think we can always improve on what Toyota do (when there is no need, this car will prob only ever be BPU) we take the spoilers off when Toyota deemed it too dangerous to sell them spoilerless in Europe (spoiler cost 9mph BTW) and the Supra is the only car the Met police have had that has passed their brake test and used its factory brakes !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbuddy Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Well the valve stem seals needed replacing and so did the oil pump so apparently thats nearly £2000 inc labour - So my dad said just fully rebuild the engine then we know everything is okay Little disappointed that the car only made 340bhp when its fully bpu'd but the 2.5inch exhaust is restricting the power so a new exhaust will be put on the car in the near future. 2000... for valve and oil pump.......... YIKES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 2000... for valve and oil pump.......... YIKES So you think thats expensive to remove the engine, strip the whole top end off and front of the motor, then strip the head down to a bare head and clean it, remove 24 springs and collets and replace 24 seals, then re seat 24 valves and put the whole thing back together and refit it in the car ???? When people pay guys like Dave Rowe about £1K to turn up and plug a laptop in and push buttons for a couple of hours ??? I hope Pauls prices are plus gaskets and parts or he will be seriously out of pocket !!!! I wonder why we are concentrating on Porsche owners more and more !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 I wonder why we are concentrating on Porsche owners more and more !!!! Because if you tell them they need a new engine, they will be like 'Okay fine, it has before, so this is the 3rd engine' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbuddy Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 So you think thats expensive to remove the engine, strip the whole top end off and front of the motor, then strip the head down to a bare head and clean it, remove 24 springs and collets and replace 24 seals, then re seat 24 valves and put the whole thing back together and refit it in the car ???? When people pay guys like Dave Rowe about £1K to turn up and plug a laptop in and push buttons for a couple of hours ??? I hope Pauls prices are plus gaskets and parts or he will be seriously out of pocket !!!! I wonder why we are concentrating on Porsche owners more and more !!!! i just never knew how much it would cost ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckler Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 So you think thats expensive to remove the engine, strip the whole top end off and front of the motor, then strip the head down to a bare head and clean it, remove 24 springs and collets and replace 24 seals, then re seat 24 valves and put the whole thing back together and refit it in the car ???? When people pay guys like Dave Rowe about £1K to turn up and plug a laptop in and push buttons for a couple of hours ??? I hope Pauls prices are plus gaskets and parts or he will be seriously out of pocket !!!! I wonder why we are concentrating on Porsche owners more and more !!!! they have more money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 they have more money? Sort of, more that they can afford the cars if that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckler Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Sort of, more that they can afford the cars if that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bailey Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 I take it a leak down test showed a problem, strange how you and dad go from saying we have only a little money to spend on the car to lets rebuild the engine when it prob does not need anything other than the pump and VSOS !!!! If your baseing the reasoning on a dyno run done in a rushed manner on a charity day then thats madness, when we are trying to dyno as many cars as poss we cannot tie them in and keep making adjustments to get the best reading, I doubt any cars read that low on the day but with more time you may have gained say 10hp, as for reading low my car made 603 hp the day before and according to Terry saunders the turbo maxxes out at around 600hp and a 2 ltr seat made 453 hp yesterday so I dont think it reads low at all:blink: I think your Supra ownership is going to be a very short and expensive one because both you and your dad do not seem to be able to relax and make an informed decision, he decided to try a new exhaust, but before even fitting it which I told him you could do at Austec for free as part of your work experience he decides to rebuild an engine, absolute madness. As for an exhaust not effecting power, what a load of bollox, Mark Newman lost 70 hp between exhausts and they were 3". I must say you guys are the customers garages dream of. Would just like to point out that my dad has arranged all of engine rebuild etc - If he wants to spend his money on the rebuild then thats up to him. All we both want is a 100% engine without oil leaks and blue and black smoke. Yes i'd love a single turbo conversion but he doesnt want that he's quite happy running bpu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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