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Boost dropping off on 1st turbo


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Has anyone got any experience of this to save me dismantling excessive amounts of the car?

 

Essentially the issue is restricted to anything below 4000rpm. If the revs are already above 4000rpm with no boost, then I can go WOT and both turbos make good boost. If I start at low revs I will typically see normal boost for a period and then it starts dropping off and will not make the change over to the 2nd turbo.

 

Sometimes this occurs around 3000-3500rpm, but once properly warm it seems to happen at much lower revs and will soetimes give no boost at all.

 

The boost sounds different too, almost like a groan. I suspected that the 1st turbo boost pressure was leaking out the 2nd turbo, but can't figure out the failure mode. The IACV actuator moves freely and is sprung closed (I believe) and the electrical actuator clicks fine on the bench. There is a bypass circuit illustrated in the schematic, could this be the issue. Seems easy on the schematic, but to pull it apart doesn't look like a 5min job. Is there is a seal that can deteriorate?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Martin

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It's a great resource, which I've referred to many times. It doesn't describe the symptoms I'm experiencing or elaborate on the below.

 

IACV

 

When it isn't switched, there is a small flap in the IACV assembly that allows any boost generated by #2 turbo as it prespools to join the intake stream, preventing turbo stall.

 

Is this a robust flap or could it fail and allow reverse flow? I'm assuming it functions as a one way valve. Is there a way of checking it or dismantling it without removing the entire casting?

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Tried that years ago when my IACV wasn't working. Not done it this time as it makes good boost off both turbos. Have to be off boost above 4000rpm before going WOT to get the full effect.

 

Normally I'd just settle down with it and pull it all apart, but I'm already up to my eye balls trying to squeeze that V8 into the RX7.

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It has never switched to both turbos once it has lost boost on #1 turbo.

 

Ah I missed that bit. That'll be the exhaust gas control valve not opening then. You might have an intermittent leak in the pressure system that runs this valve, which would bleed off the boost from #1 turbo and then when the IACV opens it vents what's left backwards out of turbo #2. Turbo #2 can't spin as the EGCV hasn't opened to let it flow gas.

 

-Ian

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I had a look at the EGCV pressure circuit and it seems OK. I'm inclined to think that this part of the system is OK as both turbos come on line if you are already above 4000rpm (change down into a low gear and give it a couple of seconds off the throttle). It just won't switch over if you start accelerating below 4000rpm and the boost has already started to drop off.

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