ECU options and info

[JamieP]

What's the issue with me mapping ecu's for members Jamie? Is there something I've missed?

 

Ben

 

Ben, no need to PM me, as far as im aware you have to be an authorised trader to offer such services to club members.

[CJ]

IMO a Syvecs mapped by Ryan isn't just the perfect ecu setup, it's almost an essential part of a good single build in the UK.

Would you consider it to be as essential on my project - the MR2?

[Guest ugp]

Ben, no need to PM me, as far as im aware you have to be an authorised trader to offer such services to club members.

 

I wasn't offering, they approached me. Maybe suggest a ban if it's a breach of the rules.

[Guest ugp]

Ryan has a deservedly amazing reputation on this forum. He is peerless when it comes to mapping these cars, which is why so many members, including many of our traders, use him for mapping.

 

IMO a Syvecs mapped by Ryan isn't just the perfect ecu setup, it's almost an essential part of a good single build in the UK.

 

I've never doubted that for one moment. The OP's on a budget though and can't afford to spend that much on an ECU, fully understandable, surely?

[JamieP]

I wasn't offering, they approached me. Maybe suggest a ban if it's a breach of the rules.

 

If you need a hand / have any questions just drop me a PM, I've fitted loads of them now.

 

Ben

 

Sounds sort of offering to me

[Guest ugp]

Sounds sort of offering to me

 

I was simply offering advice

[_Shane_]

Only purchased an AEM series 2 recently and will be getting it fitted and mapped in the next few weeks

[Dan_Turism0]

I must admit the MS3X has really interested me and from what i've seen there's a few guys in the states that run them and really rate them

 

 

very impressive dyno plot too

[j_jza80]

I've never doubted that for one moment. The OP's on a budget though and can't afford to spend that much on an ECU, fully understandable, surely?

 

Not in my opinion.

 

The general consensus on ecu tuning is to choose your mapper, and let them select the ecu that best meets your requirements and budget. If that means saving for a bit longer, then that sounds sensible to me, as otherwise you're risking the other expensive parts you've put into your build.

 

Unless the OP has a strict deadline (I can't imagine what could be that important) then it's worth putting the conversion off a bit longer to save up for the correct parts.

[j_jza80]

Would you consider it to be as essential on my project - the MR2?

 

To be honest, I don't know a great deal about MR2s. I know that the Apexi Power FC was very popular on MR2s at one point, which would be a cheaper solution. I'd speak to Ryan or Woodsport in Durham (they have a very good reputation with MR2s) and ask them what's best for your budget.

[Noz]

I think the problem is the following trend. Without much information, there isn't a huge amount to compare. There isn't alot of megasquirt ECU's on this forum. Syvecs is a proven product which is why it's such an obvious choice, proven time and time again with great results.

 

But there's always different options depending on application. I think with the wide range of ECU's on the market, there will always be more than one option for good reliable power. One brand of ECU didn't invent BHP, it just depends what options you want, and what your chosen mapper can work with.

 

It's like turbo's, they may run forever but they may not. You get what you pay for. I would say set yourself a limit of power requirements, and spend as much as you can afford.

 

We'd all love top of the range products. But without unlimited funds why not try and look into the depths of different ECU's. You may need more research and a more specialised route, but the more effort you put in the easier the choice will become. This is a good thread, and peoples experiences with the more un-common ECU's will help people decide if those ECU's will provide for their application and how reliable they can be, or not as the case may be.

 

Alot of people look for ultimate emanage's for NA-T setups, where as the blue is cheaper and can still supply the goods power wise. Without enough information to back up reliability for new setups people won't follow that trend of always looking for ultimates and not the blue. I'm up for trying new ideas and seeing what I can get from lower end ECU's (on the price range) to see what I can achieve. With a cheaper engine to replace, it would be easier for an NA-T owner to take that risk. I wouldn't be so tempted if I owned a GTE lump. Ryan doesn't even map ultimate ECU's anyway now, so I'll need a new option to swap to coils. For the power I want, megasquirt seems like an option I'd like to consider. This doesn't mean its the best, or I think it's going to rip the road apart. I just think it's the best route for my application going on information I have gathered and read on the internet. I went on online information when buying most of my NA-T parts, and didn't have any issues, so I'm hoping I can have the same success using online information as a reference once again.

 

Like I said, it depends on the application and what features you want. Each setup is different. And the ECU may not always get the best out of the selected components. I know with a better ECU I could easily get more from my engine.

[Dan_Turism0]

To be honest, I don't know a great deal about MR2s. I know that the Apexi Power FC was very popular on MR2s at one point, which would be a cheaper solution. I'd speak to Ryan or Woodsport in Durham (they have a very good reputation with MR2s) and ask them what's best for your budget.

 

Rogue would be my go to for MR2's, Patrick and his team know them inside out

[Chucky_waR]

Ryan has a deservedly amazing reputation on this forum. He is peerless when it comes to mapping these cars, which is why so many members, including many of our traders, use him for mapping.

 

IMO a Syvecs mapped by Ryan isn't just the perfect ecu setup, it's almost an essential part of a good single build in the UK.

 

Then the rest of the world owning supras are in mega problems.

[Chucky_waR]

I think the problem is the following trend. Without much information, there isn't a huge amount to compare. There isn't alot of megasquirt ECU's on this forum. Syvecs is a proven product which is why it's such an obvious choice, proven time and time again with great results.

 

But there's always different options depending on application. I think with the wide range of ECU's on the market, there will always be more than one option for good reliable power. One brand of ECU didn't invent BHP, it just depends what options you want, and what your chosen mapper can work with.

 

It's like turbo's, they may run forever but they may not. You get what you pay for. I would say set yourself a limit of power requirements, and spend as much as you can afford.

 

We'd all love top of the range products. But without unlimited funds why not try and look into the depths of different ECU's. You may need more research and a more specialised route, but the more effort you put in the easier the choice will become. This is a good thread, and peoples experiences with the more un-common ECU's will help people decide if those ECU's will provide for their application and how reliable they can be, or not as the case may be.

 

Alot of people look for ultimate emanage's for NA-T setups, where as the blue is cheaper and can still supply the goods power wise. Without enough information to back up reliability for new setups people won't follow that trend of always looking for ultimates and not the blue. I'm up for trying new ideas and seeing what I can get from lower end ECU's (on the price range) to see what I can achieve. With a cheaper engine to replace, it would be easier for an NA-T owner to take that risk. I wouldn't be so tempted if I owned a GTE lump. Ryan doesn't even map ultimate ECU's anyway now, so I'll need a new option to swap to coils. For the power I want, megasquirt seems like an option I'd like to consider. This doesn't mean its the best, or I think it's going to rip the road apart. I just think it's the best route for my application going on information I have gathered and read on the internet. I went on online information when buying most of my NA-T parts, and didn't have any issues, so I'm hoping I can have the same success using online information as a reference once again.

 

Like I said, it depends on the application and what features you want. Each setup is different. And the ECU may not always get the best out of the selected components. I know with a better ECU I could easily get more from my engine.

 

I have been reading other furms where the Megasquirt has been discussed.. Nothing bad IMO..

 

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?459090-Mega-squirt-Stand-alone&highlight=megasquirt

[Chucky_waR]

I was simply offering advice

 

and thank you for the advise ugp..

[mellonman]

NOZ

 

its true what you say i have the fic on my single the same as chucky@war,its not a great unit at all but it works i have had it mapped now to run slightly rich and pulled alot of timing to keep it safe,but just dropped some bhp 25-50,

this is where a better ecu comes in ,it can now make the most of the features,resilution and collect the 25-50 bhp and still run safe.

[Gaz6002]

Rogue would be my go to for MR2's, Patrick and his team know them inside out

 

Yep, and they're extremely successful racing them too.

[Chucky_waR]

I think the problem is the following trend. Without much information, there isn't a huge amount to compare. There isn't alot of megasquirt ECU's on this forum. Syvecs is a proven product which is why it's such an obvious choice, proven time and time again with great results.

 

But there's always different options depending on application. I think with the wide range of ECU's on the market, there will always be more than one option for good reliable power. One brand of ECU didn't invent BHP, it just depends what options you want, and what your chosen mapper can work with.

 

It's like turbo's, they may run forever but they may not. You get what you pay for. I would say set yourself a limit of power requirements, and spend as much as you can afford.

 

We'd all love top of the range products. But without unlimited funds why not try and look into the depths of different ECU's. You may need more research and a more specialised route, but the more effort you put in the easier the choice will become. This is a good thread, and peoples experiences with the more un-common ECU's will help people decide if those ECU's will provide for their application and how reliable they can be, or not as the case may be.

 

Alot of people look for ultimate emanage's for NA-T setups, where as the blue is cheaper and can still supply the goods power wise. Without enough information to back up reliability for new setups people won't follow that trend of always looking for ultimates and not the blue. I'm up for trying new ideas and seeing what I can get from lower end ECU's (on the price range) to see what I can achieve. With a cheaper engine to replace, it would be easier for an NA-T owner to take that risk. I wouldn't be so tempted if I owned a GTE lump. Ryan doesn't even map ultimate ECU's anyway now, so I'll need a new option to swap to coils. For the power I want, megasquirt seems like an option I'd like to consider. This doesn't mean its the best, or I think it's going to rip the road apart. I just think it's the best route for my application going on information I have gathered and read on the internet. I went on online information when buying most of my NA-T parts, and didn't have any issues, so I'm hoping I can have the same success using online information as a reference once again.

 

Like I said, it depends on the application and what features you want. Each setup is different. And the ECU may not always get the best out of the selected components. I know with a better ECU I could easily get more from my engine.

 

Very good response mate.. We need a better understanding of the other ECUs on the market.. No doubt Ryan is well known and no one can ever doubt his work but sometimes we just can’t afford the best..

[j_jza80]

Then the rest of the world owning supras are in mega problems.

 

That's why I said "in the UK"

 

As said, it should be a case of choosing your mapper, then your ECU. Otherwise, you're putting many expensive parts at risk (engine, turbo, intercooler etc) that could easily cost someone using a 2JZ-GTE over £3k in second hand parts, so why take the risk?

 

I had an emanage on my first Supra, and an F-con Vpro gold on my single. They both worked perfectly, but in reality were far from ideal. Thee manage due to to its limitations, the Fcon due to lack of support and very expensive mapping charges from HKS dealers at the time (I believe this has improved since)

 

The only alternative I'd consider would be the Motec M800, but it's no cheaper overall than Syvecs, so what's the point?

 

Megasquirt is a very popular setup on kit cars and the like. They seem basic but are also quite capable from what I understand. The problem is that no one in their right mind would buy a single Supra running a Megasquirt for good money, so come sale time you're going to loose alot.

 

I suppose my position is that if I were building an NA-t on a budget, I'd consider a basic ecu and get it mapped locally. Engines are cheap should you're worst happen. NA-ts aren't worth alot anyway so you're not taking much of a risk with the value of the car.

 

For anyone with a TT going single, by using a cheap ecu, you're demonstrating to potential buyers of your car that it was built to a price rather than a standard.

[Noz]

Megasquirt is a very popular setup on kit cars and the like. They seem basic but are also quite capable from what I understand. The problem is that no one in their right mind would buy a single Supra running a Megasquirt for good money, so come sale time you're going to loose alot.

 

I agree. But I think this is only due to the small amount of information on them. If more people go down that road, maybe it would be a more viable option. Like the XS components. It may take a while, but with information to help back the product up it will hopefully turn into a reliable option, as well as being classed as an underdog it would hopefully not be considered a cheap and cheerful 2nd best, like Emanage against standalones, it serves its purpose just a product doing its job well even where more premium products may do better and squeeze that little bit more from a setup.

 

The worst case situation, the ECU flops and people learn from this mistake and help future people. Sadly the only people I know running un-common ECU's keep their dyno print outs under cover. If I go down this road, I will try and compare my EMU at 7psi against the same psi with a different swap over ECU.

 

We need more comparisons while considering the cost as well. In my opinion, too many sources point to piggy backs for the NA-T's. It would be great to see a sudden rise in NA-T's running standalones as this is an area without a huge amount of information in comparison. Would be great to see NA-T setups on most of the ECU's listed.

[Guest ugp]

Megasquirt is a very popular setup on kit cars and the like. They seem basic but are also quite capable from what I understand. The problem is that no one in their right mind would buy a single Supra running a Megasquirt for good money, so come sale time you're going to loose alot.

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Maybe it's the way this forum goes on about anything other than a Syvecs that's to blame for that? You're right though, nobody on here would touch one. The Americans are like that with Proefi and the Australians with Haltech.

 

You should have a read into what they are capable of, most certainly not basic by any means. The older units (MS1+2) were a little on the bland side, but not the new 3.57 + expansion setup. The S6 can't run 8x sequential injection and ignition though......

 

I suppose with me being part of the project, I'm slightly biased.

[Jellybean]

ProEFI 128 ECU seems to get good praise too ; I think the big advatage is it is Flex Fuel Capability

 

http://www.proefi.com/Supra.html

 

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?627628-ProEFI-128-vs-AEM-Series-2-EMS

[Tricky-Ricky]

A lot of interesting stuff being talked about, however there is one major consideration, who fits, sets up and maps it, no matter how good an ECU is, if its not set up and mapped spot on, you may as well have any old crap;)

[Jellybean]

A lot of interesting stuff being talked about, however there is one major consideration, who fits, sets up and maps it, no matter how good an ECU is, if its not set up and mapped spot on, you may as well have any old crap;)

 

Me personally, I would get the Mapper to select the ECU; if I am ever fortunate enough I would get either RyanG or Dimitri to map her. Not too Sure what ECU Dimitri uses

[j_jza80]

A lot of interesting stuff being talked about, however there is one major consideration, who fits, sets up and maps it, no matter how good an ECU is, if its not set up and mapped spot on, you may as well have any old crap;)

 

That's why I said, and has long been the norm for this forum, to choose the mapper before the ECU.