suprasize Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Okay, ill give a brief run down on what's what, and hope one of you guys can point me in the right direction.. Okay, during a timing belt change (incl pulley, tensioner and belt), the crank pulley bolt has decided not to budge atall. The garage who have been working on her have pretty much tried everything.. powerful air guns, scaffold bars to lever the breaker bar, heat guns.. everhthing! But still! No movement! :-( what has been suggested is to cut the bolt off and rethread through the crank.. Has anyone had this problem before? Has anyone used a company who can rethread the bolt? Seems very specialist. Please post any advice you guys have. So annoyed and fed up. Thanks Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobUK Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Had the problem on a mates car, we used a torque multiplier.... We reckon it was close to 800 (not sure on the unit of measure but believe it should have been 259-300 ish) when the bolt finally decided to budge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprasize Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 Had the problem on a mates car, we used a torque multiplier.... We reckon it was close to 800 (not sure on the unit of measure but believe it should have been 259-300 ish) when the bolt finally decided to budge... From what theyve said, they used the most powerful airgun snap on provide, and still it isn't budging. Its ridiculous. This car seems impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Put the large breaker onto it with the scafolding pole and put it on the ground. Use the starter motor to free it off. Be sure to put it to the correct side etc. There is obviously a lot of danger in this approach but common sense should prevail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobUK Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Tried the biggest air gun and also the scaffold/starter method and neither budged my mates car... As I said get a torque multiplier... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellstrom Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Put the large breaker onto it with the scafolding pole and put it on the ground. Use the starter motor to free it off. Be sure to put it to the correct side etc. There is obviously a lot of danger in this approach but common sense should prevail. This! The bolt is not torqed to that level. Its the massive amount of locktite that need to be "broken" trough Doing as scott said will most likely free it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellstrom Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Well i dont know how big gun the biggest snap on is But i used a gun used when changing tyres on lorries. My impact Gun is huge and it made no differens But when i used the heavy duty one it broke free with ease. But you would need to remove all radiators as it take quite some space. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attero Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Had the same problem before. Crack the bolt to relieve tension and buy a new one (they are cheap) That's what I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee P Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Gun won't do it, you need to lock the pulley solid and use a very big bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_d Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 It will come off they need to lock the pulley as mentioned. cutting the bolt off and re-threading is a mad decision, And not a job id like to take on, Imagine drilling it out while the crank/engine is in postion. Id take it somewhere else if they cant get it off, dont let them cut the bolt ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l.chris97 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Lock the pully through the 2 holes and also wrap the pully in duck tape then clamp on chain grip around it a lick up against the p/s pump or alternator can't remember which 1...should stop any flex through the engine....only way i could get mine to shift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D8MOA Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Where in Essex are you? I have the proper SST to do the job which I could lend you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprasize Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 Maldon dude, the garage have given up all hope of removing the bolt now, so just awaiting a reply from some of the big boys on here (SRD, whifbitz and chris wilson) for a price, I don't personally want to attemp it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobUK Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Jeez they rolled over lightly.... It took best part of half a day to get my mates pulley bolt out.... But as other have said if you have it locked and the right tools it will come out... It just needs some love and attention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul372 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 you need a special tool to lock the crank pulley then use a breaker bar and a scaffold tube, they are well tight but it will go, i made my own tool to lock the crank pulley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul372 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 and you shouldn't of use heat it will damage the rubber on the crank pulley and may have damage the crank pulley seal as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 and you shouldn't of use heat it will damage the rubber on the crank pulley and may have damage the crank pulley seal as well but it sounds like the damage has already been done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlmhtt Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I bought an electric impact driver to do mine. With the locking bar fixed in place the impact driver made fairly light work of it. I found I needed to tighten it a bit then undo it to help crack it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I also have a genuine Toyota tool and have done 3 pulleys now with no issues at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprasize Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 I've got all replacement parts so I never minded that heat wS used, just a pita as this bolt wouldn't budge. Got a quote from both Lee P and Chris Wilson, so I'm going to hopefully get this all sorted out. Fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprasize Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 cars going in to Whiftbitz tomorrow, hopefully theyll get the bolt off . Ive got everything crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D8MOA Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 cars going in to Whiftbitz tomorrow, hopefully theyll get the bolt off . Ive got everything crossed! It's a easy job with the right tools and know how... Can't see Paul having a issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I found I needed to tighten it a bit then undo it to help crack it off. Said the Bishop to the Actress! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew_flux Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Two tricks I use. I have the Toyota tool. If that doesnt work, lay a bead weld on the bolt head with a MIG welder. The isolated heat of the weld will loosen the bolt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 As said, it will come out with the locking tool without heat. You could use the biggest air impact type of gun there is, but unless its locked up it wont budge if it's a tight one. I have a had a couple now that local garages tried and gave up on, but I made a very basic tool to lock it via the threaded holes and they shifted. There is a guy on here who reckons you can lock it by using a cam pulley locking wedge tool.....all that torque through the belt and across the tensioner cant be good and if its a tight one the belt would just strip anyhow. Paul will have have a tool to lock the crank pulley I am sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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