Brazil Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I had a minor car accident last week and managed to give my front passenger wheel a good wack; since then I had the wheel refurbished and the car aligned though the car drives in a straight line if I let go of the steering wheel it pulls to the left. The man that got the car aligned could not free the driver’s side wheel alignment adjusting bolt so he got did his best to get i as aligned as possible the first time I drove out it pulled really bad so I took it back to him and asked him to put it back to the way it was before which improved some. From looking at both sides it looks like the wheel that got a wack is sitting further in the arches. Could it be because of a bent coilover or front arm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Sounds like a bent arm. I would have thought the guy doing the alignment would have sussed that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra Gaz Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Could be the arm, you should be able to see it from underneath, sounds like the tracking was properly done though. Do you have any knocking noises? If so I would of said suspension is fubar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazil Posted February 26, 2012 Author Share Posted February 26, 2012 Could be the arm, you should be able to see it from underneath, sounds like the tracking was properly done though. Do you have any knocking noises? If so I would of said suspension is fubar. There's no knocking noises just pulling to the left..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikedjack Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 If its aligned fine with no problems, i'd say your issue was the camber in the road. Try it on the motorway before spending any money as thats a lot flatter than your average town road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazil Posted February 26, 2012 Author Share Posted February 26, 2012 If its aligned fine with no problems, i'd say your issue was the camber in the road. Try it on the motorway before spending any money as thats a lot flatter than your average town road. I tried that already and it still pulls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erol_h Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I had a very similar incident with my sup and i never got it sorted out it was a absolute b1tch got the care aligned had it looked at by a mechanic no luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraP-Z Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Loose subframe bolt/s? (most unlikely, but worth a check while your down there) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignum Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Bent hub carrier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 what about the rear wheels they can affect this if they had a little wack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Which adjusting bolt couldn't your man get undone ? Track adjustment or one of the two eccentric camber adjusters ? Without seeing how the wheel sits then it could be a bent hub, bent track rod or bent bottom arm. The hub is weaker than the bottom arm so my money would be on the hub being bent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastcar Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I had a whack on the rear wheel and couldn't get the camber right. I had to change both bottom arms hub axle carrier and hub now it camber is fine. I would say it might be the same for you. It will either be bottom arm hub or hub carrier or it could be all depending how hard you hit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazil Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 Which adjusting bolt couldn't your man get undone ? Track adjustment or one of the two eccentric camber adjusters ? Without seeing how the wheel sits then it could be a bent hub, bent track rod or bent bottom arm. The hub is weaker than the bottom arm so my money would be on the hub being bent. I am trying to find out which one it is by looking at the online supra manual but I can't seem to find a clear diagram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Usually the lower wishbone or the hub carrier itself bends if you whack a kerb, especially if you whack it hard enough to damage a rim. Without specialist gear it's hard to say if one is bent or not, so best to change top and bottom wishbones and the upright and re do all the front geometry.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listy Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I vote wishbones. A mate cracked one on an R33 doing around 10mph into a curb. Easily done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazil Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 Which adjusting bolt couldn't your man get undone ? Track adjustment or one of the two eccentric camber adjusters ? Without seeing how the wheel sits then it could be a bent hub, bent track rod or bent bottom arm. The hub is weaker than the bottom arm so my money would be on the hub being bent. The bolt that is seized which the car alignment man can not adjust is part number 90170-14012 as found in the link below. Which parts will I need to replace it? Should I replace both sides? http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_J_2000_TOYOTA_SUPRA_JZA80-ALFVZ_4505.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) I've no idea what that is other than guessing by looking at the list and its price its probably the lock nut on the trackrod end. You need to see whats bent before buying parts, how big a hit on the wheel was it ? Can you post some pics of the wheel now as to how it sits and the damage done to it to give us an idea on the level of impact it had and what did you hit, was it the kerb ? At the least if the camber has been knocked in then it will be the hub and or the bottom wishbone thats bent. Along with the eccentric adjusters possibly but their pretty easy to check once their removed. When your guy looked at it what was the camber at before he started trying to adjust it ? also what was the toe ? Edited February 28, 2012 by Dnk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazil Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 I've no idea what that is other than guessing by looking at the list and its price its probably the lock nut on the trackrod end. You need to see whats bent before buying parts, how big a hit on the wheel was it ? Can you post some pics of the wheel now as to how it sits and the damage done to it to give us an idea on the level of impact it had and what did you hit, was it the kerb ? At the least if the camber has been knocked in then it will be the hub and or the bottom wishbone thats bent. Along with the eccentric adjusters possibly but their pretty easy to check once their removed. When your guy looked at it what was the camber at before he started trying to adjust it ? also what was the toe ? I don't have the camber and toe data as I never asked for it and the man did not explain it to me I was also at the end of a very long day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Without knowing then i'd just be guessing, if the camber is out and the toe then i'd be replacing the bottom wishbone and the hub and then take it from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazil Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 Without knowing then i'd just be guessing, if the camber is out and the toe then i'd be replacing the bottom wishbone and the hub and then take it from there. Up Date: I took my car to a race car specialist garage and they confirmed to me what Dunk has told me, which is unless they have the alignment data it's very difficult to identify where it damaged is. When I first took my car to the car alignment garage they could not get the car aligned because they said they weren’t able to adjust the steering rod bolt. My damaged wheel is back and all wheels have been fitted with new valves which I purchase from the UK therefore I shouldn't have any more unexpected flats and more damaged wheels. Next the car will be going to get alignment work, this time in a different place one that has experience working with sports cars and I’ve told them to do what it takes to get the car aligned even if it means replacing the steering rod & bolt. My question is what camber and toe setting would best suit my car? My current wheel and tyre specification is (rear) Toyo R888 295, 30, 19 and in the (front) Bridgestone Potenza 245,35,19 'when its worn out I will be changing it to Toyo R888 and a bit wider 255. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Whats your email address and i'll send you my settings, i think you need to be very carefull though as its more than likely the hub is bent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazil Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) Whats your email address and i'll send you my settings, i think you need to be very carefull though as its more than likely the hub is bent. Would a bent hub give the impression that the wheel is sitting deeper in the arches? The garage shouldn't charge me to find out whats wrong so thats a big weight of my shoulders. The main reason to have the car aligned is so the mechanic can use the date to try to identify where its bent. It will need to be aligned again after all suspension work, I want to replace all the bushings and coilover but the mechanic is telling me that first we need to fix/know for sure the current problem. My email: [email protected] (Thanks) Edited March 14, 2012 by Brazil (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I'd be supprised if you've bent the coilover, the first things to look at are the track rod, the bottom arm and the hub. I'll email you my settings which are on 255 x 19 fronts and 295 x 19 rears with 30mm lowered front and 25mm lowered rear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin-mkiv Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 It also depends on how the car impacted the kerb. Di you slide side ways against it or did the car more roll hard into and up it? If it was a sideways impact I would think more along the lines of the bottom arm, however, this would show as the wheel seeming to be leaning out of the arch as opposed to seeming to lie deeper into it. Hitting and rolling up a kerb hard would manifest in a bent hub (or more commonly this would be the case anyway)....this would also make the wheel seem as if it was sitting 'further into' your wheel arch and possibly as if it is more cambered than it was before. Just my thoughts, having done similar myself a few times in different cars and also seeing friends cars with similar damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazil Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 I'd be supprised if you've bent the coilover, the first things to look at are the track rod, the bottom arm and the hub. I'll email you my settings which are on 255 x 19 fronts and 295 x 19 rears with 30mm lowered front and 25mm lowered rear Thank's buddy, got the email...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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