Dragonball Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Frankly I think that if the people of Scotland really want to go then just bloody go - I cannot stand the whinging about Westminster and England and all the crap that goes with it Good luck when the oil runs out Currency markets - mmm... Euro anyone (and then budgets set by Brussels) Nato and defense expenditure Public spending is higher pro-rata - mmm... more taxes anyone? Typical 'Scottish Cringe' Go and good riddance! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony tt Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Frankly I think that if the people of Scotland really want to go then just bloody go - I cannot stand the whinging about Westminster and England and all the crap that goes with it Good luck when the oil runs out Currency markets - mmm... Euro anyone (and then budgets set by Brussels) Nato and defense expenditure Public spending is higher pro-rata - mmm... more taxes anyone? Typical 'Scottish Cringe' Go and good riddance! :-) Did i hit a nerve? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelfill Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 There are a couple of questions about logistics that spring to my mind. There are a number of "British" companies that operate in both countries, how would the export and import be handled? Also with the bulk of the shipyards being based North of the Border how would we propose to build our nation's naval ships. There are two many more problems to iron out than solutions to be found IMHO. That said it's interesting the number of "southerners" who don't see a problem with us being London centric, and the number of Northerners who do, myself being one. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 That said it's interesting the number of "southerners" who don't see a problem with us being London centric, and the number of Northerners who do, myself being one. Mike This is how I see it. I don't think it's an issue with Scotland, I think it's more of an issue with anywhere outside the London area. It just happens to be that we are a bit further away so get forgotten about and disregarded even more. This is the reason I think something needs to be done with the way the nation is ran and taken account of rather than just breaking off and dealing with it on our own. Something needs a shakeup though, of that I am without doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra Gaz Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 From a financial point of view I can see Scotland being better off on its own. Once set up with an independant infrastructure (which will cost billions and years) it will look pretty solid. How it will fit in with Europe, if it takes that route, will be another factor, what can it bring to the table to benefit the EU, will it join the EU and be milked dry like England? I hope for the best fir the Scots, im marrying one after all; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 The way this nation is ran with Scotland being the forgotten cousin (not to mention Wales and NI) is just a joke. Even the outer parts of England are forgotten about, it's always all about London and the surrounding areas. Don't you think that's the case for most countries in that the capital is the focus for the financial districts and trading? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Don't you think that's the case for most countries in that the capital is the focus for the financial districts and trading? I don't mind that side of it, it's the equality when it comes to spending, tax considerations and all manor of other considerations that don't really seem to be accounted for much outside of southern England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I don't mind that side of it, it's the equality when it comes to spending, tax considerations and all manor of other considerations that don't really seem to be accounted for much outside of southern England. Can you give me any examples? I'm genuinely interested (coming from the South but now living in the North). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Can you give me any examples? I'm genuinely interested (coming from the South but now living in the North). All noteable development, other than the scottish parliament, since I can remember has been in and around the capital. I don't have anything like a complete list but the millenium dome, the millenium wheel, all other millenium related things immediately spring to mind. Airport development, shopping development, retail development, etc etc etc. Now we have the games coming to visit and we were also in for the world cup IIRC. I say we, but of course Scotland and the rest of the UK are never mentioned. I've visited quite a few places in England and none of them show any kind of investment anywhere near that of London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I've visited quite a few places in England and none of them show any kind of investment anywhere near that of London. But isn't that because it's the capital and as such commands the most tourists and needs more attractions to keep them coming? I guess most people visit the capital of countries rather than the other cities - I know I do if I take a European trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 Can you give me any examples? I'm genuinely interested (coming from the South but now living in the North). The roads up here are shocking compared to those down south It could be worse though Scott, York has the highest council tax outside of London, general living costs aren't much lower than London yet wages are much lower in general. On the plus side, it's probably the nicest city in the UK (though Edinburgh would run it very close IMO) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 The roads up here are shocking compared to those down south Rubbish. The roads in Portsmouth are shocking (although I hear the roads in London are paved with gold). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 Rubbish. The roads in Portsmouth are shocking (although I hear the roads in London are paved with gold). Sorry, I meant around London Scott, I thought there was a major sporting event coming to Scotland soon... (commonwealth games of 2014) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Sorry, I meant around London Scott, I thought there was a major sporting event coming to Scotland soon... (commonwealth games of 2014) Quite correct, we're allowed to spend 3 weeks pocket money on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoaster Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Another important reason for pursuing independence, is the completely different political perspective of Scotland. 30 years of Thatcher and post Thatcher (including new Labour) policies have marginalised the voters in Scotland. Through out the '80s and once again, we have a tory government which is as alien to the Scottish voter as Le Penn's far right party in France. Scotland is by habit and tradition, a centre left, social democracy, with a strong public interest in social welfare, health and the principals of free public education at basic and higher levels. The pseudo right wing, 'greed is good' philosophy of the tories carries no weight in Scotland. Politically, we have more in common with the Scandinavian countries, than England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelfill Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 But isn't that because it's the capital and as such commands the most tourists and needs more attractions to keep them coming? I guess most people visit the capital of countries rather than the other cities - I know I do if I take a European trip. Rather than adding additional tourist attractions to persuade people to revisit a city they've tired of, why not invest in tourist attractions for other areas of the UK. Your point kind of reinforces the over investment in London. Manchester was lucky enough to attract the Commonwealth games, and as such subsequently became a centre for sporting excellence for cycling. However rather than re-use the existing Velodrome for the Olympics they have built another in London. Can you see the British Olympic Cycling Team remaining in Manchester afterwards? With regard to your capital tourist comment, aside from Luxembourg City, and Monaco - where the country is barely larger than the capital city itself - Washington D.C. is the only Capital City I have been to (and that was due to an event being arranged there specifically rather than a personal choice to go there). I've been to Spain countless times and never been to Madrid, Spent a month solid in France and never went to Paris, travelled to Italy and never been to Rome and Germany a number of times and never been to Berlin (nor Bonn). Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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