Racist Liverpool Fan

[The Raven]

Fan has been arrested with the help of the club and the fans.

 

Video from the match, retweeted by Jim Boardman:

http://yfrog.com/0tpfdz

 

Not to sure what hes doing but he has some explaining to do.

[johnny g]

Fan has been arrested with the help of the club and the fans.

 

Video from the match, retweeted by Jim Boardman:

http://yfrog.com/0tpfdz

 

Not to sure what hes doing but he has some explaining to do.

I'm sure it's a friendly piece of banter where he comes from...

[Paul]

He was just scratching his armpit.

[CJ]

Evra wasn't being booed because of the Suarez thing, he always gets booed at Liverpool. Granted the Suarez case just meant it happened during the whole game as Liverpool still believe he's full of crap, causing the "there's only one lying bas*ard" chants.....

 

I think that if you believe that then you really are deluded. Of course he was being booed because of the Suarez thing. The same would have happened at every other football ground had a different team been involved. To deny that just gives the impression that the Liverpool fans are truly blinkered.

 

Let's be honest here, there are a minority of racist fans in every crowd at every game played every week. It is far better than it was in the 70's and 80's but it is still there. The problem I have with the Liverpool situation is how they handled the whole affair - especially Kenny Dalgish.

 

The decision to allow the players to wear the tee shirts supporting Suarez was naive in the extreme. IMO, his responses to media questions since the verdict (including yesterday when he was questioned on the Evra booing) have shown that he seems incapable of being diplomatic and shows a lack of class that was usually evident in previous management regimes at Liverpool.

[jonathanc]

Great results for Liverpool but I am let down by the racism... Being a Liverpool fan not sure if I should be happy or not.

Although saying that, racism sometimes can be a very fine thin line. Saw the "monkey" clip on Facebook and it could just be banter? /shrug. Let's not tarnish the beautiful game with racism imo.

[The Raven]

With five minutes remaining even the booing of Patrice Evra had become something of a chore, a tribal ritual rather than a tribal passion.

 

The Liverpool fans booed him because they believe he didn't tell the truth, while the rest of of the world heard them booing a black man who claimed he was abused in racist terms. Neither side came closer to understanding the other.There were other incidents: police were investigating claims that a man was captured on camera making monkey gestures at Manchester United fans and United fans sang merciless chants about Hillsborough, whilst content that they were on the high moral ground.

 

Taken from a report this morning, i have no doubt that the game in Manchester will be the same, more songs about people dying. While luis will be booed by man utd fans. This is why i wouldnt take my son to a football match until hes 16.

[CJ]

Saw the "monkey" clip on Facebook and it could just be banter? /shrug.

Please tell me that was not a serious comment?

 

How in God's name can a monkey chant aimed at a black person be classed as "banter"?

[johnny g]

Judging from Liverpool FC Fans' "excuses", I'm fully expecting that this "person" cannot be racist as he once said hello to someone of a different racial background than himself and lives in the same road as non-indigenous people.

 

EDIT: Come to think of it, maybe he saw Suarez in the stand, was giving a friendly "Hello" in Uraguayan?

[jonathanc]

Please tell me that was not a serious comment?

 

How in God's name can a monkey chant aimed at a black person be classed as "banter"?

 

The topic of Racism is a very sensitive and difficult one. I personally do not see skin colour in people. I simply see them as fellow human beings. I don't like to be abused racially but would never do the same to others. Unfortunately there are some people who disagrees and I believe they should be punished.

 

I am just a bit miffed how often the race card is brought up in football after the Terry incident. Lifetime ban from all matches if convicted to the racist chanter and hefty fine to the club will hopefully stop this madness.

[Kopite]

I think that if you believe that then you really are deluded.

 

Not at all Col. Evra has been booed a few times in the past, this isn't the first time. It was more prolonged this time but to say it was simply because of the Suarez thing only isn't true.

[Kopite]

Judging from Liverpool FC Fans' "excuses", I'm fully expecting that this "person" cannot be racist as he once said hello to someone of a different racial background than himself and lives in the same road as non-indigenous people.

 

EDIT: Come to think of it, maybe he saw Suarez in the stand, was giving a friendly "Hello" in Uraguayan?

 

So due to this Welshman being racist, you think all Liverpool fans won't condemn him? Aren't you from the club who threw bananas at Barnes?

[Brazil]

am south american born and lived there till 8 , if you called somebody a negro your implying he is a NIGGxx.

 

he admited this and therefore he is a racist.(there is no defending him)

 

thats it.

 

In Brazil it’s the opposite Jurgen, 'Negro' simply means his black..! If you called somebody 'Preto' though which translates ‘’Black’’ that is frowned to be racist.!

 

At the end of the day though, the tone, attitude and expression that the individual uses will be the best way to dentify a racist..!

 

Unfortunately there are plenty of these ignorant characters in the world of Football especially so in Europe.

[CJ]

So due to this Welshman being racist, you think all Liverpool fans won't condemn him? Aren't you from the club who threw bananas at Barnes?

Welshman? That sounds racist too

[johnny g]

So due to this Welshman being racist, you think all Liverpool fans won't condemn him? Aren't you from the club who threw bananas at Barnes?

 

Deflection, to a 20 year old incident (research what Liverpool fans did to Barnes when he played for you against Arsenal, at Highbury). Then reading through the posts about what he was actually doing from RAWK, defending

 

 

its a **** joke this is all out there , its been blown^ out of proportion now this supporter is arrested for a^ monkey mime you bunch of sad **** that evra is^ milking this and now maybe other coloured players may^ jump on board claiming racism , the game of soccer has^ gone soft enough as it is THANK **** WE STILL HAVE^ RUGBY ,where men are men and sticks and stones dont^ break bones

 

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Balotelli stamps on Scott Parkers head surely GBH^ police do nothing, fan makes a gesture police all over^ him wheres the logic in that.

 

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So bankers can rob civilians and get paid bonuses^ because of it and civilians get arrested for animal^ impersination.

Millions of years of evolution....well^ done to the human race.

 

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Like me this guy grew up in the 5os and 60s when there^ was no politically correctness it really is going too^ far to arrest someone for taking the mickey out of a^ footballer earning vast sums of money per week more^ than this more guy will ever earn.

 

 

 

Oh come on, it's hardly the crime of the^ century!!!! There's old people getting beat up evry^ day. There's chidren getting abused every day. Do^ we really want police resources, and so many of them,^ being spent on the odd idiot making a monkey-gesture,^ even if racially motivated???

... and stop saying^ 'the n word' or 'n****r'. The word is^ **** it is not a crime to say the word, after all, it^ is just a word. You cannot call someone a **** but you^ can say the word. IT'S A WORD!!!

 

 

Sick munich bastards spitting at the hillsborough memorial!! disrispectful ****!! hope the bizzies stab you in the ***** heads 58 58 58 58 58 58 munich **** . out ov order so ******* disrispectful

(This has been confirmed, by Merseyside Police as a Hoax rumour)

 

Best fans in the world.... http://www.bluekipper.net/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif

 

There's no moral highground to be gained in deflecting in this behaviour - for anyone. However, let's not talk about our clubs pasts, as Liverpool are in no position to entertain the word "debate" on that, let alone partake in one.

 

However, what certainly irritates me is that some sort of 'our racists aren't as bad as your racists' mentality exists within the Liverpool FC 'family. Racists are scum, whoever they belong to, and to conveniently forget the part their own supporters played in welcoming Barnes on his debut at Highbury beyond winds me up.

[CJ]

The topic of Racism is a very sensitive and difficult one. I personally do not see skin colour in people. I simply see them as fellow human beings. I don't like to be abused racially but would never do the same to others. Unfortunately there are some people who disagrees and I believe they should be punished.

 

I am just a bit miffed how often the race card is brought up in football after the Terry incident. Lifetime ban from all matches if convicted to the racist chanter and hefty fine to the club will hopefully stop this madness.

I've read that a few times and I am yet to see an answer as to how you can consider a supporter making monkey chants and gestures as "banter".

[Kopite]

etc etc

 

You're missing the point. Yeah Liverpool fans gave Barnes stick, so did many general England fans. You continually criticise Liverpool fans while seemingly holding a moral high ground regarding your own fans. EVERY club has it's idiots, it's racists, it's hooligans. I won't go into the abuse I've had thrown at me at different grounds, including outside Goodison, so it's a pointless exercise. However, if you get your jollies from Liverpool bashing then go ahead, I'm gonna do my best to ignore if from now on before I get wound up.

[johnny g]

You're missing the point. Yeah Liverpool fans gave Barnes stick, so did many general England fans. You continually criticise Liverpool fans while seemingly holding a moral high ground regarding your own fans. EVERY club has it's idiots, it's racists, it's hooligans. I won't go into the abuse I've had thrown at me at different grounds, including outside Goodison, so it's a pointless exercise. However, if you get your jollies from Liverpool bashing then go ahead, I'm gonna do my best to ignore if from now on before I get wound up.

 

Did I not just say there's no moral highground here? And all racists are scum?

 

You must have missed that point.

[jonathanc]

I've read that a few times and I am yet to see an answer as to how you can consider a supporter making monkey chants and gestures as "banter".

 

Technically, since when is a monkey chant racist? For all we know he could just be taking the mick against Man Utd. Let me be clear here, I am NOT defending him. As I've said in my reply, if he is proven racist than he deserves punishment. I am just tired of people playing the racist card all the time. FYI, I've had racist comments thrown my way too so I know first hand what racism is.

[Kopite]

Did I not just say there's no moral highground here? And all racists are scum?

 

You must have missed that point.

 

From my point of view, you're typing words to say one thing while also having digs at the same time. Seems a contradiction to me. Liverpool did this, Liverpool did that. Their fans think this, they think that. As I've said earlier, take a cross section of a lot of fans and there won't be much difference. Surprised it's not moved onto Liverpool as a city being racist, that'd then have you grouped in with me, which i'm sure you wouldn't appreciate either.

[johnny g]

Technically, since when is a monkey chant racist? For all we know he could just be taking the mick against Man Utd. Let me be clear here, I am NOT defending him. As I've said in my reply, if he is proven racist than he deserves punishment. I am just tired of people playing the racist card all the time. FYI, I've had racist comments thrown my way too so I know first hand what racism is.

 

Beyond speechless at that.

[johnny g]

From my point of view, you're typing words to say one thing while also having digs at the same time. Seems a contradiction to me. Liverpool did this, Liverpool did that. Their fans think this, they think that. As I've said earlier, take a cross section of a lot of fans and there won't be much difference. Surprised it's not moved onto Liverpool as a city being racist, that'd then have you grouped in with me, which i'm sure you wouldn't appreciate either.

 

Liverpool, like most major cities is a racist place in certain sections.

 

Liverpool fans do annoy me, yes, with the "you're more racist than us" remarks. Racism is wrong, period.

[Kopite]

Liverpool, like most major cities is a racist place in certain sections.

 

Liverpool fans do annoy me, yes, with the "you're more racist than us" remarks. Racism is wrong, period.

 

I'm not at all saying Everton fans are more racist than Liverpool, seems like you're implying the opposite to me hence why i'm getting wound up. With diverse fan bases, I think it's impossible to group a club's supporters as being more racist than others.

[CJ]

Beyond speechless at that.

I agree

[jonathanc]

Beyond speechless at that.

 

Well, I've heard people saying Rooney looks like a monkey, in fact I've said he looks like a monkey myself. Is that racist?

I do not defend nor promote racism but I don't see why should I not have my own opinions? Is it wrong to have free speech (within reasonable limits) these days?

 

There's no place for racism in football and in fact in anywhere else - fact. Again, let me rephrase - in this particular case of the fan making monkey gestures, if it's proven that it is indeed racially motivated, then punish him. If its proven that Terry said what he said then punish him accordingly.

 

Just curious, and this is just a friendly question aimed at johnny g and CJ - have you guys been a victim of racism yourselves?

[Kopite]

Well, I've heard people saying Rooney looks like a monkey, in fact I've said he looks like a monkey myself. Is that racist?

I do not defend nor promote racism but I don't see why should I not have my own opinions? Is it wrong to have free speech (within reasonable limits) these days?

 

There's no place for racism in football and in fact in anywhere else - fact. Again, let me rephrase - in this particular case of the fan making monkey gestures, if it's proven that it is indeed racially motivated, then punish him. If its proven that Terry said what he said then punish him accordingly.

 

Just curious, and this is just a friendly question aimed at johnny g and CJ - have you guys been a victim of racism yourselves?

 

Any decent human being will be of the opinion that racism is wrong. Without sounding like I condone racism of any kind, this kind of (to me) illustrates the Suarez case. You call a black person a monkey and you're likely to be called racist (due to the history of the action) - fair enough, correct. But call a kid a cheeky monkey and it's affectionate. Would you call a black kid a cheeky monkey? Under the opinions of the Suarez case, it's the use of the word that is racist. Therefore, how can you acceptably call a child a cheeky monkey?