MattP Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 CJ - a very quick win here would be: Rev 3 engine. ST205 Chargecooler Cinquentro Rad (for Chargecooler) 3" Decat Pipe Boost Controller of choice for 1.2-1.3bar. I had that exact setup and produced 282bhp IIRC with virtually zero lag on the stock CT20b turbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 CJ - a very quick win here would be: Rev 3 engine. ST205 Chargecooler Cinquentro Rad (for Chargecooler) 3" Decat Pipe Boost Controller of choice for 1.2-1.3bar. I had that exact setup and produced 282bhp IIRC with virtually zero lag on the stock CT20b turbo. Thats very interesting too. I already have my eye on a full car that is being sold as a spare or repair and at a good price so the engine and box ecu etc are all covered. Edit to add: The engine I am looking at is out of a 1991 car with low miles so not a Rev 3 How much faffing about is involved with fitting the ST205 Chargecooler and Cinquentro Rad? Also, other than my trusted ebay, where should I be looking for these and what cost would I expect to pay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattP Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 ^Rogue motorsport do a complete bolt on chargecooler kit Have a quick gander on their website it has a diagram of how and where everything mounts that should give you an idea of how they bolt up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattP Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 http://www.roguesystems.co.uk/pages/Products.aspx?cat=5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Thats very interesting too. I already have my eye on a full car that is being sold as a spare or repair and at a good price so the engine and box ecu etc are all covered. Edit to add: The engine I am looking at is out of a 1991 car with low miles so not a Rev 3 How much faffing about is involved with fitting the ST205 Chargecooler and Cinquentro Rad? Also, other than my trusted ebay, where should I be looking for these and what cost would I expect to pay? For a Rev1/2 engine, get an ST185CC. The throttle body is a bit different between the two revisions. The Cinq rad is £25-35 on eBay usually. There's a ST205 on eBay now, as a kit, that can be adapted with some persuasion. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toyota-3S-GTE-Chargecooler-Complete-Setup-/250978937074?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3ACelica&hash=item3a6f82a8f2 I'd not bother with the Rogue kit. Namely for price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 ST205 is OK, it just sits a little squint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 ST205 is OK, it just sits a little squint A little angle grinding - no issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 A little angle grinding - no issues Yeah that's right, one of the mounts has to come off too or something like that. I went to all the hassle of fitting one only to take it off and sell it before I even put any coolant in it lol. Radiator and everything was in place, I even bought the proper pump that mounted to the gearbox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Small Bosch electric water pump will do that no issue. I had one on my 2000cfm Chargecooler on my MR2 V6. Was a princely sum of £40 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 For a Rev1/2 engine, get an ST185CC. The throttle body is a bit different between the two revisions. The Cinq rad is £25-35 on eBay usually. There's a ST205 on eBay now, as a kit, that can be adapted with some persuasion. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toyota-3S-GTE-Chargecooler-Complete-Setup-/250978937074?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3ACelica&hash=item3a6f82a8f2 I'd not bother with the Rogue kit. Namely for price. Tis a pity that the Rev 3 is preferred to the Rev 1 or 2 as I have found a good looking deal on a Rev 2 car that I could acquire very cheaply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Certainly nothing wrong with a Rev 2 IMO. You'll top out at 260bhp, but, the response will be incredible when it's CC'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 Certainly nothing wrong with a Rev 2 IMO. You'll top out at 260bhp, but, the response will be incredible when it's CC'd Now, I would imagine 260bhp in that little go kart body will be a bit erm...exciting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Very much so. My old Rev 2 was slammed, 1.2bar and it went like a turd off a highly chromed shovel. I still miss it sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 .... I still miss it sometimes. Even with that monster you have now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Even with that monster you have now? My V6 turbo died a death thanks to a stuck throttle and 67mm turbo. However, I'm LOVING my Supra again at the moment, got the love right back for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Certainly nothing wrong with a Rev 2 IMO. You'll top out at 260bhp, but, the response will be incredible when it's CC'd I hit 284 without the chargecooler. I was aiming for 300 with it but I don't think I would have gotten it. Apparently my car had cams but I never got round to checking it, I would be surprised if it did as there was no ECU to make the most out of them. Rev 3s were good for 300hp with just the normal mods from what I remember. Of course that all depends where you test the cars. The yard stick for the MR2 was Thor at one point.... and look at how optimistic their figures are compared to SRR. The MR2 was tested at AVA up here, not sure what that means for a comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I never saw a a Rev 3 hit 300bhp wihtout management - I remember Mark @ Owen Development's mapped a buddy of mine's car (Dino) - Rev 3, CC'd, CT20b and Paul Port WI kit. Made 336bhp @ 1.4bar. Another friends mine hit 352bhp in his at Owen's with a Stage 3 hybrid. His car was ludicrously quick. As you say, depends where you test them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 I never saw a a Rev 3 hit 300bhp wihtout management - I remember Mark @ Owen Development's mapped a buddy of mine's car (Dino) - Rev 3, CC'd, CT20b and Paul Port WI kit. Made 336bhp @ 1.4bar. Another friends mine hit 352bhp in his at Owen's with a Stage 3 hybrid. His car was ludicrously quick. As you say, depends where you test them I used Mark to fit and map the Motec in the Orange car . Really nice guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I used Mark to fit and map the Motec in the Orange car . Really nice guy. Yea, I caught up with him at Autosport show last week. Crackin' fella. Then spent some time with Lee Owen arranging to send my turbos in for "the works" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I never saw a a Rev 3 hit 300bhp wihtout management - I remember Mark @ Owen Development's mapped a buddy of mine's car (Dino) - Rev 3, CC'd, CT20b and Paul Port WI kit. Made 336bhp @ 1.4bar. Another friends mine hit 352bhp in his at Owen's with a Stage 3 hybrid. His car was ludicrously quick. As you say, depends where you test them Loads of them managed it back in the days when I was there, as I say though Thor was pretty much the benchmark back then so it was most likely less compared to the likes of SRR. No idea where I would stand with AVA though, not sure where they are on the scale With the power FC it was said that 320hp was possible with a stock-ish rev3+ and a chargecooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Loads of them managed it back in the days when I was there, as I say though Thor was pretty much the benchmark back then so it was most likely less compared to the likes of SRR. No idea where I would stand with AVA though, not sure where they are on the scale With the power FC it was said that 320hp was possible with a stock-ish rev3+ and a chargecooler. Sounds about right to me matey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 Certainly nothing wrong with a Rev 2 IMO. You'll top out at 260bhp, but, the response will be incredible when it's CC'd You have mentioned either a rev2 or 3 engine but not the gearbox. I assumed I would need the gearbox from the donor car too? Or will my UK rev 4 gearbox suffice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattP Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 The Rev 3 turbo onwards gearboxs were made tougher than the previous gearboxs so thats what I would be aiming for, remember that all the uk spec mr2s were N/A their are no turbos and the gearbox driveshafts and hubs etc are different at the power levels you desire the N/A box will be ripped apart. Make sure you get a good box MR2s have issues with syncro meshs ie: they like to crunch your best bet is rev2 turbo box or rev3 onwards if possible stay away from rev1 boxs the fifth and reverse gears have major issues on rev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 You have mentioned either a rev2 or 3 engine but not the gearbox. I assumed I would need the gearbox from the donor car too? Or will my UK rev 4 gearbox suffice? No, you'll need the gearbox and shafts too - not sure on the hubs, though. You'll have a Rev 2 box, that'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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