grahamc Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Well one of it's benchmarks for production was the 911 turbo which last time I looked was around £120k mark. Whilst the GTRs cost is half that of a 911 turbo it's running costs are equal, possibly more? Thus people are put off by the fact that, although cheap to buy, they are expensive to run. I would think this is a contributory factor in their rapid depreciation. In addition to this I read awhile back that the GTR is the only car in it's class to be upgraded every year of production, be it cosmetic or electronic/mechanical. This has also been cited as being another reason for it's poor residuals. You an see this in the general car market, on a longer term basis, with older models being far less desirable and expensive when a new model arrives. the one thing that separates the 2010 and 2012 model is the price, mine new was 58k, whereas the newer spec is 72k. Makes a rather large difference... I have heard of some issues with the bell housing, which Nissan are replacing under warranty (even on stage 1 & 2 cars), not heard of any electrical issues... Mines only at 2700 miles, so hopefully it will be awhile before I have issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Heh, yes it is indeed Lockie How's things? What car you runnin now? Things are fine still got the tt and supra,retiring next year so been thinking about getting rid of both for a cayman s,however like you i cant make up my mind.Too many cars so little time:D,good luck with your search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Well one of it's benchmarks for production was the 911 turbo which last time I looked was around £120k mark. Whilst the GTRs cost is half that of a 911 turbo it's running costs are equal, possibly more? Thus people are put off by the fact that, although cheap to buy, they are expensive to run. I would think this is a contributory factor in their rapid depreciation. In addition to this I read awhile back that the GTR is the only car in it's class to be upgraded every year of production, be it cosmetic or electronic/mechanical. This has also been cited as being another reason for it's poor residuals. You an see this in the general car market, on a longer term basis, with older models being far less desirable and expensive when a new model arrives. It's a 911 Turbo in performance an running costs, but that is where the similarities end. IMO Nissan are really pushing their luck at £70k with the newer ones. It's more of an upmarket 370z (which is a great car btw) than a £100k exotic. I'm quite suprised they don't sell it as an Infinity in western markets tbh, it wouldn't harm GTR sales and it would do the Infinity brand a huge favour. My posts may seem negative towards the GTR, but I do really like it. To me it just isn't special enough in this company, where peculiar (and flawed) cars like the TTRS and Cayman will always be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 It's a 911 Turbo in performance an running costs, but that is where the similarities end. IMO Nissan are really pushing their luck at £70k with the newer ones. It's more of an upmarket 370z (which is a great car btw) than a £100k exotic. I'm quite suprised they don't sell it as an Infinity in western markets tbh, it wouldn't harm GTR sales and it would do the Infinity brand a huge favour. My posts may seem negative towards the GTR, but I do really like it. To me it just isn't special enough in this company, where peculiar (and flawed) cars like the TTRS and Cayman will always be interesting. If they sold it as an infinity it wouldn't be a GTR! In America the Infinity brand is pretty big, but not so much in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathanc Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 Things are fine still got the tt and supra,retiring next year so been thinking about getting rid of both for a cayman s,however like you i cant make up my mind.Too many cars so little time:D,good luck with your search Nice one mate All this talk about the Cayman S and bar the over 45k models I don't see the appeal? Low powered, small engined and the interior is no better than a mk2 TT and severely lacking any space compared to TT as well? Granted it might be a nimble and capable built chassis but for that compromise I don't see why not to choose the TTRS instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 If they sold it as an infinity it wouldn't be a GTR! In America the Infinity brand is pretty big, but not so much in Europe. They're trying to take off in the UK though, and this would be a fantastic halo model. I think ' Infinity GTR' Has a nice ring to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 They're trying to take off in the UK though, and this would be a fantastic halo model. I think ' Infinity GTR' Has a nice ring to it Yeah I noticed them starting to break into the UK, though they seem to be VERY expensively priced, don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Yeah I noticed them starting to break into the UK, though they seem to be VERY expensively priced, don't you think? They're bound to flop IMO. The brand is to anonymous over here at the moment, too expensive, and while thier products may be nice, they seem a bit bland. They only have one dealership too iirc. I think Pistonheads had some writeups on them iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkddav3 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 gtr anyday... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastcar Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I would go for the GTR allday but then I'm all about the performance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike33 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I would go for the GTR but im not the one paying for it!! I love that car. Hopefully if you did by it one day i might buy it off. I have got your old supra!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathanc Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 I would go for the GTR but im not the one paying for it!! I love that car. Hopefully if you did by it one day i might buy it off. I have got your old supra!!! Ah..so there's where my old Supra is now Great to know! Lockie (formatzero) is the person I've bought it from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob wild Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I also briefly looked at the TT-RS but dismissed it on the basis that it wasn't that much cheaper and would have to be heavily modded to suit! I'm currently looking at getting a GTR and tbh when looking at it I've found the following:- 1) Servicing at a good indie (I'm going to use RB motorsport) is no where near the price of a Nissan HPC and doesn't affect the warranty 2) The prices are dropping but even a 2007 (import model) I saw the other day was up for 29k! This is a 5 year old with no warrenty and a Import! So UK cars will be worth more. Test driving the GTR took me right back (about 10 years ago) to when I test drove my first Supra and tbh its the first car since the Supra that I've actually got excited about! The way I'm justifying buying one is this I spent 35-40k modding the supra to get it to where I wanted it to be and sold it for 14k! So if I buy a GTR have it for a 5-6 years and sell it for the same I will be a happy man and no worse off! But I'm betting it will be worth more! All just IMO! Just buy a GTR and enjoy it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilkinson Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 the one thing that separates the 2010 and 2012 model is the price, mine new was 58k, whereas the newer spec is 72k. Makes a rather large difference... What about all this 2010-2011?: The revised GT-R (2011 model year, 2012 model year for the US) features an engine with revised mapping, changes to valve timing, larger inlets and a revised exhaust system which boosts rated power to 530 bhp and 612Nm of torque from 3200 to 6000rpm. Changes also include a new more rigid front strut bar made from carbon composite, larger front brake rotors, new lighter and stiffer wheels, and revised Dunlop tires. Cosmetic changes include a new front bumper with integrated LEDs. The front bumper improves cooling to the radiator and front brakes while reducing drag. A new rear diffuser improves downforce and also includes additional rear cooling ducts. The interior has been revised to improve the quality. Or this from 2011-2012?: The cold hard facts are that this 2012 GT-R has been honed in every area: for the first time since its launch the GT-R’s 3.8-litre V6 twin turbo engine has been uprated mechanically rather than just through a reconfigured ECU and exhaust package. It has revised heads, new sodium-filled valves, a revised intake system – all in the name of more throttle response and greater energy higher up the rev range. The dampers have new programming, the springs are revised, the gearbox shifts even more cleanly and quickly, the front bulkhead is structurally stiffer... The GT-R even has different spring rates and rear suspension geometry from one side to the other to account for the weight of the driver. The new figures of 542bhp at 6400rpm and 466lb ft at 3200-5800rpm (the 2011 GT-R has 530bhp and 451lb ft). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Can I just say one thing.........R34 GTR. That is all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraAyf Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 What about all this 2010-2011? Or this from 2011-2012? It's a fair point you make. I'm not sure that I would be able to bring myself around to buying an older version of a car if I knew full well that every consecutive MY had been used to upgrade the capability and refinement of the vehicle. The GTR has almost reached that point where the 2008 model is different in just about every way possible to the MY12 variant. This is bound to have an adverse effect in terms of the GTR-brand attempting to retain its residuals. From my own perspective, I could never see myself buying something as dated as the 2008 GTR since in true snobby petrol-head traditions I would always be thinking that the rest of the GTR family were better or more refined (Jurgen's being a bit of an exception; granted!). At the end of the day, you get what you want and what you can afford. If an R35, mini, Ferrari, fiesta or Kia meets your needs and pocket size then it's a job well done. JC - Buy the GTR and enjoy it for what it is. You can clearly afford it (a big well done for that mate) but if you are happy to buy the car instead of investing the money; building an extension to the house or paying off the remaining part of the mortgage then go go go..............? This is my old sensible head kicking in now, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathanc Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 Right just did some reality check here and need advise from people who have exp in lease. Basically after px I will be taking out a 20k lease deal over 4 years with the car currently valued at 40k. So after 4years assuming I've paid in full the company will recover the car back ( I've asked about deals but no news yet). So this is assuming the gtr doesn't depreciate below 24k (amount I pay over 4 years) in 4 years time I will be getting a good deal? I just don't want to risk being left with no car in the future if I do take out this lease deal. Edit: good advice about mortgage lol ... Argh decisions decisions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 As long as the car depreciates below 20k you are getting a good deal, that is how I would read it anyway. Over the next 4 years you pay £5k per year to hire the car. At the end of the 4 years you have the option of buying the car outright (for £20k I'm guessing) or giving the car back. If you decide to buy the car outright then as long as it's value is over 20k you are doing well, if you decide to give the car back then as long as it is under 20k you have gotten a good deal. It all depends what you want to do at the end of the lease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraAyf Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Right just did some reality check here and need advise from people who have exp in lease. Basically after px I will be taking out a 20k lease deal over 4 years with the car currently valued at 40k. Is that 20k 'total' that you will be paying over the 4-year period or is there any affiliated interest or excess mileage charges on top of the 20k lease price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnanshah247 Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Gtr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathanc Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 After probing a little bit more apparently it's a hire purchase deal not lease / pcp. I am sure there'll be some hidden charges... As dealer is over 2 hours away one way I will be at a slight disadvantage going down for a face to face chat or asking for better deal... My head got the better of me and I think I will sit it out this time. Apparently a chap from Nottingham goin to view it tomorrow so that's not too bad for dealer I see a TTrs which I can get for much cheaper and over shorter term and that's before any negotiating ... Oh well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 The GTR, it's one of those cars you need to own/experience at least once in your lifetime. Not detracting from the Audi, nice car and all, but the GTR has that little something special. It's a 911 Turbo in performance an running costs, but that is where the similarities end. Not quite, the 911 Turbo is cheaper to run and maintain: 20k miles or bi yearly service schedule and far, far better on fuel than the GTR - it just drinks it!. It's all academic anyway as there's so many alternatives for maintenance and replacement parts on the GTR that main dealer prices become a mute point. I don't know about financing one though, that would make my corn-hole itch they way they are shedding money at the mo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 What about all this 2010-2011?: The revised GT-R (2011 model year, 2012 model year for the US) features an engine with revised mapping, changes to valve timing, larger inlets and a revised exhaust system which boosts rated power to 530 bhp and 612Nm of torque from 3200 to 6000rpm. Changes also include a new more rigid front strut bar made from carbon composite, larger front brake rotors, new lighter and stiffer wheels, and revised Dunlop tires. Cosmetic changes include a new front bumper with integrated LEDs. The front bumper improves cooling to the radiator and front brakes while reducing drag. A new rear diffuser improves downforce and also includes additional rear cooling ducts. The interior has been revised to improve the quality. Or this from 2011-2012?: The cold hard facts are that this 2012 GT-R has been honed in every area: for the first time since its launch the GT-R’s 3.8-litre V6 twin turbo engine has been uprated mechanically rather than just through a reconfigured ECU and exhaust package. It has revised heads, new sodium-filled valves, a revised intake system – all in the name of more throttle response and greater energy higher up the rev range. The dampers have new programming, the springs are revised, the gearbox shifts even more cleanly and quickly, the front bulkhead is structurally stiffer... The GT-R even has different spring rates and rear suspension geometry from one side to the other to account for the weight of the driver. The new figures of 542bhp at 6400rpm and 466lb ft at 3200-5800rpm (the 2011 GT-R has 530bhp and 451lb ft). To be blatantly honest... I could not give a rats butt about that the car is just SO GOOD!!! in every way, that the advances dont actually bother me. I happy to have paid less for my car and put some cash into the bits that I want (my stage 2 is supposed to be around the 575bhp mark - will get to SRR again soon to compare to bog standard 499bhp). I plan to make some changes to the brakes, eventually (when the standard discs/pads need replacing). Litchfields is also releasing some rather good upgrades for the suspension and handling.... So even going for those items @ £6k (brakes and suspension) plus the 4k I have already spent... I have still saved money. As stated in my original purchase thread, I test drove a lot of cars, a lot more expensive £100k+ and nothing came close........... IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I have a customer with a 10 or 11 month old XK Supersport, he's done minimal mileage in it, (under 7K) always dealer maintained and in mint condition. He finds the fuel consumption excessive and wants a diesel. He paid about £92K with the toys on it, and has not had a better trade in offer than dropping £42K on it.... Ouch! He tells me one of the monthly magazines has one on long term test and that is one of the reasons he bought his. They too have suffered similar depreciation. Are these people mad, or what? Over £40K blown, it's guzzled petrol like a knackered Cadillac, and all he has to show for it are two speeding tickets and more points on his licence, and "happy memories" His wife's got the hots for a flash city slicker in the next village, his youngest daughter is being sniffed by a spotty local drug dealer, and his doctor's told him to lay off the booze. Happy days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pudsey Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Cricky that's a life times worth of savings for most people certainly a huge amount of money to lose. Not that I want to stop people buying them though as said previously in 12-15 years time, we all could afford to have the pleasure of said beast then. Oh how the other half live hey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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