Time for a proper swear filter on here?

[Tannhauser]

If you read my original post you'll see that I said "communicate properly".

 

I appreciate that there are times when we all swear and that there may be times when there's a valid communication context for it, but there's clearly no need to swear just for the sake of it or, in my view, to insult someone. There's plenty of other less offensive, more subtle and perhaps more witty ways of insulting someone than simpy telling them to **** off.

 

 

 

Lack of courtesy pure and simple, in my view. If you can't hold a conversation on a BBS without typing in swear words then it shows, again in my view, that the person is not really concerned how they make their point That in turn is disrespectful to the people who take the time and trouble to post in a considered manner.

 

 

I did read your post. If someone swears in a post, then according to you, he/she is not communicating 'properly'. I take this to mean 'accurately or precisely'. So, again: I don't see any connection between the ability to communicate clearly and the amount of swearing included.

 

I don't think you are drawing a distinction between swearing as a way of directing personal abuse at someone else and swearing as part and parcel of adult conversation. In my view, the former is only rarely justified and should be jumped on pretty smartly. The latter case is entirely different.

 

I understand what you mean about posting in a 'considered manner', rather than rattling off a string of expletives, but that's just a feature of different personalities. Personally, I don't feel insulted or disrepected if someone posts a response that is ill-thought out, or with atrocious grammar. I might make a comment about it, or think that they ought to invest in a dictionary, but I don't feel it's some sort of personal attack because their posting doesn't live up to a particular 'standard'. The same for swearing - I don't think it's discourteous if it isn't directed against another member.

 

We're not in class here. I'd characterise it like Branners: it's cyber pub-chat. I can see others disagree though and it would be interesting to see the results of a poll on the subject.

 

 

Cliff

[RedM]

Could we worry less about swearing and more about spelling?

[tbourner]

As long as people don't adopt txt spk and leetspeak or whatever the hell it is I don't mind - some of the posts on other forums I go on have to be read several times to get the idea of what they're trying to say!

[geoffvalenti]

It isnt tolerated on co.uk,

 

But nor is posting a link to this site, people have been banned for less.

 

I really don't think we want to become as anal as them , now, do we?

[Tom S]

But nor is posting a link to this site, people have been banned for less.

 

I really don't think we want to become as anal as them , now, do we?

 

That says it all.

 

I have fantastic banter on this site with loads of people, as Ro (kopite), DB, Ray's the Roof and loads more will testify, any swearing is taken as just that BANTER.

 

All of the swear words that are being used or may be most of them do appear in the oxford english dictionary which is classed as the engligh speaking persons bible. So what is the true reason for the thread.

 

Is it because Faye's brother is upset by swearing. Has he ever sworn ?? The moderators do a fantastic job and this site grows from strength to strength because we are all treat (spelling??) as ADULTS, this may have children on , but it is supposed to be about Supra Drivers, and by definition you have to be an adult to hold a provisional licence at the least.

 

Now I know this will get the usual sort of replies but come on, is life really worth it.

 

Oh whilst I'm on, (edit) Ro, when any one calls you a scouse what ever is that not as bad as some one swearing. I think it could be taken that way if Ro, didn't just laugh it off as usual.

[Kopite]

Oh whilst I'm on Ro, when any one calls you a scouse what ever is that not as bad as some one swearing. I think it could be taken that way if Ro, didn't just laugh it off as usual.

 

people, he means whilst he's talkin about me, i assure you Tom is not on me!!!!

 

and yeah i am a scouse git (is that swearin? ) but little do you know i am plottin my revenge

[Tom S]

people, he means whilst he's talkin about me, i assure you Tom is not on me!!!!

 

and yeah i am a scouse git (is that swearin? ) but little do you know i am plottin my revenge

 

Editted it

 

sorry

 

[Faye Brother]

I did read your post. If someone swears in a post, then according to you, he/she is not communicating 'properly'. I take this to mean 'accurately or precisely'. So, again: I don't see any connection between the ability to communicate clearly and the amount of swearing included.

 

I don't think you are drawing a distinction between swearing as a way of directing personal abuse at someone else and swearing as part and parcel of adult conversation. In my view, the former is only rarely justified and should be jumped on pretty smartly. The latter case is entirely different.

 

I understand what you mean about posting in a 'considered manner', rather than rattling off a string of expletives, but that's just a feature of different personalities. Personally, I don't feel insulted or disrepected if someone posts a response that is ill-thought out, or with atrocious grammar. I might make a comment about it, or think that they ought to invest in a dictionary, but I don't feel it's some sort of personal attack because their posting doesn't live up to a particular 'standard'. The same for swearing - I don't think it's discourteous if it isn't directed against another member.

 

We're not in class here. I'd characterise it like Branners: it's cyber pub-chat. I can see others disagree though and it would be interesting to see the results of a poll on the subject.

 

 

Cliff

 

My apologies, Cliff. My definition of what I consider to constitute communicating properly in the context of this topic wasn't clear. It isn't to do with clarity or the preciseness of the message itself, but rather the language that is employed in communicating that message in the first place.

 

I would certainly agree with you that the use of swearing to direct personal abuse is far more serious than general 'adult' conversation, but to just throw expletives around for the sake of it seems lazy and unecessary to me, unless there is a justifiable context for it as I mention above. One has only to visit some other car forums to witness the standard of posting and the gratuitous swearing that occurs in everyday 'conversation', although I'd stress that MKIV.net doesn't even come close to falling within that category.

 

From a personal perspective I am in no way offended by swearing on the board, but I do find it disrespectful if a person posts in such a manner regularly and I also believe that it reflects on the club to a certain extent as well. Whilst it doesn't bother me, I wonder whether most people would be quite so forgiving of a user posting in capital letters all the time as perhaps they may be with someone who likes to eff and blind a bit?

 

It's certainly an interesting discussion and I also would be intruiged to see the results of a poll on the subject, especially as I fully expected to be in a singular minority when I posted the thread.

[Faye Brother]

All of the swear words that are being used or may be most of them do appear in the oxford english dictionary which is classed as the engligh speaking persons bible. So what is the true reason for the thread

 

I'm not quite sure what the entry of a word in the dictionary has to do with whether it's acceptable to use it on here or not. Could you possibly expand on that point for me?

 

Is it because Faye's brother is upset by swearing. Has he ever sworn ??

 

See my post above for the answer to the first question and in response to the second question - hell, yes.

 

The moderators do a fantastic job and this site grows from strength to strength because we are all treat (spelling??) as ADULTS, this may have children on , but it is supposed to be about Supra Drivers, and by definition you have to be an adult to hold a provisional licence at the least.

 

But you don't have to hold a provisional licence to view and read the public areas of the site. I take on board the entirely valid comments people have made about kids hearing and saying far worse in the school playground, but does that mean it's acceptable for them to view it on here as well? I think not, but others will disagree.

[Tannhauser]

One has only to visit some other car forums to witness the standard of posting and the gratuitous swearing that occurs in everyday 'conversation', although I'd stress that MKIV.net doesn't even come close to falling within that category.

 

This part of your post in particular gave me pause for thought. In spite of my earlier comments, I have to agree that car forums which have nothing but non-stop swearing are actually pretty unpleasant, not to mention boring, places to visit. Therefore, I also have to concede that having a policy that at least controls excess swearing prevents this BBS from getting like those.

 

Although I still think its possible to be articulate, witty, cogent etc. and to include a decent peppering of expletives, what may happen in practice - if there is no rule to stop them - is that many posters perhaps couldn't be arsed to put anything but the swearing. Although maybe that wouldn't happen here anyway, 'cos we're cut from a different cloth than the plebs in those other forums.....

 

"I didn't get where I am today without making complete U turns"

[Whitelightning]

Sod off !