johnny g Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 It's not about choosing what you want to hear, if there was a soundbite or video of Suarez saying something meant in a racist way, i'm sure the views would be different. Or if it didn't happen to be a Manchester United player accusing a Liverpool player or vice versa. In reference to if you were being quoted wrongly, if you were speaking in a foreign language and made a reference to the colour of my shirt and i though you said skin, i could easily argue a context there and you'd have to prove i've quoted you wrongly. I agree with you about the knowledge of the QC's but i don't believe that the FA have not gotten involved in this. If they'd found him not guilty, a whole load of people would then be on about how the FA don't treat racism seriously etc etc. The FA were always going to have a problem with a ruling. Personally I believe they just wanted to find him guilty as it would be the easiest solution for them. Calling someone "south american" is not automatically a racial slur, neither is saying "negrito". But if it's putting a spin on it (as they think Suarez did) then it can become prejudicial. By not acting on Evra's comments about where Suarez is from, the FA are therefore defining that isn't racist but skin colour is. Last time i checked, there isn't an accepted definition of racism but racial discrimination. That includes references colour and origin. We're going to end up going around in circles here. Ultimately, he's admitted saying it. The Independent Regulatory Commission announced its decision on 20 December 2011, which is as follows: Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1); the insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour within the meaning of Rule E3(2); Mr Suarez shall be warned as to his future conduct, be suspended for eight matches covering all first team competitive matches and fined the sum of £40,000; the [penalty] is suspended pending the outcome of any appeal lodged by Mr Suarez against this decision. Admission, to me is guilt. And if he wasn't a Liverpool player, then it probably would mean guilt to you, too. And for KD to come out and say that the ruling is there to "divide Liverpool Football Club", well wow. Just wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 We're going to end up going around in circles here. Ultimately, he's admitted saying it. The Independent Regulatory Commission announced its decision on 20 December 2011, which is as follows: Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1); the insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour within the meaning of Rule E3(2); Mr Suarez shall be warned as to his future conduct, be suspended for eight matches covering all first team competitive matches and fined the sum of £40,000; the [penalty] is suspended pending the outcome of any appeal lodged by Mr Suarez against this decision. Admission, to me is guilt. And if he wasn't a Liverpool player, then it probably would mean guilt to you, too. And for KD to come out and say that the ruling is there to "divide Liverpool Football Club", well wow. Just wow. Agreed that we'll go in circles so i'm not gonna say much more. It honestly has nothing to do with him being a Liverpool player which is why i've tried to point out that, being a victim of abuse and attacks before, I know what it's like. If Suarez was racist, he'd be out the club, similar to Hutchinson when he brought shame. I've seen the ruling comments but the could also be applied to what John Terry's claiming or I could claim. Imagine the following conversation, it can't have quite the same effect as I can't swear on here but I'll use the word SWEAR instead. me: you dived you SWEAR you: SWEAR you, you're a SWEAR. You called me a negrito too! me: No i didn't call you a SWEAR negrito you SWEAR. 1. I've insulted you 2. My insulting words could be argued to contain a reference to colour. By saying you're not calling someone something, you are still making a reference to their colour. Back to what I said earlier, under the whole thing, should Alan Hansen now be sacked for using racist terms then? He used what is apparently (and news to me) a racist term but he didn't mean it in an offensive way. Its slightly different to Suarez as he was arguing with Evra whereas Hansen isn't arguing, but the "offence" is still the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Back to what I said earlier, under the whole thing, should Alan Hansen now be sacked for using racist terms then? He used what is apparently (and news to me) a racist term but he didn't mean it in an offensive way. Its slightly different to Suarez as he was arguing with Evra whereas Hansen isn't arguing, but the "offence" is still the same The offence is the same, but the intent is hugely different I feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 The offence is the same, but the intent is hugely different I feel. But isn't that what Suarez has been punished for, the actual offence and not the intent? A lot of people have said the cultural and language differences shouldn't matter but they do - they're having a huge bearing on whether any intent was there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Have a listen to talk sport about the reaction from alleged fans of Liverpool, disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Have a listen to talk sport about the reaction from alleged fans of Liverpool, disgusting. Fair play to Stan Collymore for exposing the sub-human vermin. However, a simple login to RAWK, or even a Google sitesearch will see the the seeds of the extremist views are sowed. Every club has these factions, but, Liverpool's always seems to be one of the most vocal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Fair play to Stan Collymore for exposing the sub-human vermin. However, a simple login to RAWK, or even a Google sitesearch will see the the seeds of the extremist views are sowed. Every club has these factions, but, Liverpool's always seems to be one of the most vocal. That is very sad to hear, i feel, i honestly feel sorry for Kopite and others who are straight up fans. Liverpool seem to be missing the point that he is not being banned for being a racist but for racial remarks that he has stated admitted. I am truely struggling to work out why Liverpool are siding so strongly with him. This will be a damning period for Liverpool, they are fighting, IMHO the wrong fight. Merry bloody Christmas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Liverpool seem to be missing the point that he is not being banned for being a racist but for racial remarks that he has stated admitted. I am truely struggling to work out why Liverpool are siding so strongly with him. Why is it so hard? In that language and to a looser extent, the culture, the term was not said in a racist way. As I said earlier, every time you say "fag", should a homosexual complain? As said earlier, under your logic and the FAs, ban Hernandez now, sack Hansen too! Also should the whole Uruguay squad be banned for referring to the lad as "the monkey". In the Talksport interview, sack Collymore as he said "black player and white player". If the FA didn't have him found guilty, the whole country would then be claiming the FA don't see racism as an issue and group them in with FIFA. He was always going to be guilty. In the C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgen-Jm-Imports Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 full case http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/2011/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/Disciplinary/Written%20reasons/FA%20v%20Suarez%20Written%20Reasons%20of%20Regulatory%20Commission.ashx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Found guilty, no appeal. After reading that report, and especially point 377. Suarez, or any player who does that, has no place in the EPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I wonder if King Kenny will apologise for so aggressively defending his player? No, i don't think i will have to wonder for long either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I wonder if King Kenny will apologise for so aggressively defending his player? No, i don't think i will have to wonder for long either. KKKenny won't apologise. Never has, never will. After reading the statement issued by LFC and Suarez, I think the FA need to have a quiet word with them and put this to bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/mobile/football/16402384.stm No, i didn't have long to wait at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgen-Jm-Imports Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 we come from a south american background and the word negro as opposed to nigger is racist,. cant believe suarez thought he was going to get away with it. i think 8 game ban is pretty lame tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Not a good time to be a Liverpool fan, sad times. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16452241.stm But on the plus side... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-16455531 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 As a Leeds fan I cannot be accused of being a Liverpool hater (lets be honest, we hate everyone equally) but I have to say I am very disappointed in Liverpool FC's and Kenny Dalglish's stance through all this. Shows a complete lack of respect and dignity IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 I don't particularly like Man City but I hope they give Liverpool a good thrashing in the League cup next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Good to see Kenny Dalglish offering a diplomatic approach once again The man really has no class at all. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16918255 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Good to see Kenny Dalglish offering a diplomatic approach once again The man really has no class at all. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16918255 But he has plenty of crass, lets see how the FA deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky49 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Dont like Suarez, after kicking Parker in the tits last night and never attempted to get the ball just sums him up. A dirty player that the EPL doesnt need and I certainly wouldn't miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 witch hunt! Luis ment to kick parker? Then why was he not sent off? why arnt the FA looking into it? Lets face it everytime he does something even remotely bad he will jumped on from a great hight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 witch hunt! Luis ment to kick parker? Then why was he not sent off? why arnt the FA looking into it? Lets face it everytime he does something even remotely bad he will jumped on from a great hight And the winner for the most spelling mistakes in two sentences is.... On a serious note, Suarez doesn't really interest me whereas Dalglish, as the front man for the club, does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 witch hunt! Luis ment to kick parker? Then why was he not sent off? why arnt the FA looking into it? Lets face it everytime he does something even remotely bad he will jumped on from a great hight No smoke without fire. I think he is a great player but he is like Ballotelli (sp) trouble seems to follow him. I have watched the Parker incident a number of times now and the more I watch it the more it looks deliberate. This guy has wonderful technique and I can't understand how he missed the ball and then leathered Parker in the stomach. As a Spurs fan I suppose I am just biased? The only thing that surprised me is that Parker is white so why is he kicking him? H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgen-Jm-Imports Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 the only thing that surprised me is that parker is white so why is he kicking him? h. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 So you think he was trying to kick parker? If he was doing that why not just punch him in the face? its not like he tried to hide it is it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.