drift_bear Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Probably been asked before but im just home from work and cant be bothered searching as the title says, im looking at saving up alot over winter and for most of next year to start a nice collection for either a single OR a big twin set up, so the questions are - what is a better set up? what power firgures can you see/expect? whats the rough cost to get a reliable set up? cheers all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 You should be bothered searching. All of the relevant info is here many times over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 It's all personal preference really. You can achieve BIG power on both setups it's just how you want to power to be delivered really. I've drove Johnny big twin and it pulls like a train but I much prefer how mine drives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) ..... I am sooo silly Edited December 9, 2011 by Tyson (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsy Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 I like bees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdistc Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Let me answer your question with another question. What's better: beer or spirits? Boobs or bums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geo Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Look how many twin set up's there are, then look at how many single's there are? As the mere Cats say SIMPLES SERGIE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lude Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 think its more of a cost thing isnt it for big twins, and more complicated, i would prefer a single. 550-600BHP would be ample enough for me. i think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Single. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Single is cheaper. But, it hits in the back like a thunderbolt. Twins are more expensive, but I find them more progressive. Do you want to blend into the singles, or would you like to stand out with the BIG twins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxluc Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 I would go for a single. Power delivery is very fast, and power wise, there are no limits to the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyS13 Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Never driven either but id imagine with an infinite budget the twins would have less lag and be better for anything provided they are running the same power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mplavery Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Single is cheaper. But, it hits in the back like a thunderbolt. Twins are more expensive, but I find them more progressive. Do you want to blend into the singles, or would you like to stand out with the BIG twins I would love to have BIG twins then a single....Thats the plan anyway but i will just have to wait and see what my funds are like at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Mitchell Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 either option is a killer on the wallet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Properly sized and manifolded twins will achieve a given BHP level with less lag than a single capable of the same figures. But the cost and complication rises by a factor of more than 2. A properly executed single installation is FAR better than an on the cheap twin installation with old turbos and schonky manifolds. What's your budget? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgen-Jm-Imports Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 having drove both before at big power. big twins - minimal lag and very progressive. big single - laggier than the twins but still great fun. big twins- more expensive set up but impressive. single - the cheaper option and most popular way. if you look at the RB26 cars there is loads on big twins as opposed to just singles but they do have 4wd to cope better with the traction lower down,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 One of the odd things about the 2JZ and Supra owners is they spend a fortune on some aspects and just ignore others. For example, they continue to chase big HP figures, yet seem to ignore drivability and lag. A single throttle body is pretty crude, yet few seem to want to convert to multiple throttle bodies. No one has invested to cast high nickel content cast manifolds for twin turbos, the fact the RB26 Nissan engines have these as stock does of course partly explain the popularity of twins on these engines, as Nissan have done all the hard work with manifolds, turbo supports, downpipes, etcetera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulley Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Different answer but twincharge is my pref, supercharge-large turbo No lag big power and driveability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 But incredibly complex, costly and difficult to set up to work correctly. You would need serious technical and financial resources to do this properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulley Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 But incredibly complex, costly and difficult to set up to work correctly. You would need serious technical and financial resources to do this properly. This is true if you've never done it before, or have limited knowledge, I'm upto around 80 super-turbo builds, not (yet ) done a supra, but charging is ancient tech, I find head design gasflow dynamics and designing variable valve lift and timing harder (I designed and proto-final build superchargers/vvt turbo/jet engines/ rotorhead systems) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 You don't half change your mind a lot Alex. You've gone from losing your job and selling the car to getting a job and thinking about singling it As a frame of reference for you I have bought mostly 2nd hand parts and I'm over £12k in parts alone. If I had bought everything new it would be £15k easy, if I had then paid someone to fit it all and do everything I wanted done it would easily be £18k+. That's a wholllllllle lotta saving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 80? That's a vast amount, so you are doing this commercially? Can we have a look at some of them please? Are they all one offs, or are you doing small batches of kits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 The changing of minds, or the inability to make them up at all, is something of a forum trait these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted December 9, 2011 Author Share Posted December 9, 2011 You don't half change your mind a lot Alex. You've gone from losing your job and selling the car to getting a job and thinking about singling it As a frame of reference for you I have bought mostly 2nd hand parts and I'm over £12k in parts alone. If I had bought everything new it would be £15k easy, if I had then paid someone to fit it all and do everything I wanted done it would easily be £18k+. That's a wholllllllle lotta saving I know scott, I was only selling up in the first place due to job loss, but I've had a mate offer me work in the yard with his dads oil company and i will be doing all my certs for going offshore and etc in the new year in time for the new contracts coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsy Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 80? That's a vast amount, so you are doing this commercially? Can we have a look at some of them please? Are they all one offs, or are you doing small batches of kits? in for the pics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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