Noz Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 So... I had this crazy idea. If I relocate the battery, and had 2 headlight intakes, I could supply my single turbo filter with more air... sorted... BUT... problem I have with my current headlight intake is I can't use it at night... ooops. There may not be an actual requirement to use both headlights, but I need a new product. And over the winter I'm hoping to finished the pre-facelight rear lights Im working on but want to start something new. The concept: to have 2x headlight intakes, with a large intake cone for maximum air volume while being able to drive at night. Solution: relocate the dipped beam unit in the headlight to the current fog light position. Sand the lines from inside the glass to allow for maximum equal coverage per beam. Keep beams level. Remove side light unit, fog light unit and main beam unit. With dipped beam unit being relocated into fog light area, the remaining area can be used for a fibreglass intake, which should be equal both sides. Initial idea problems: Keeping beam equal, level and supporting dipped beam unit in headlight. Unsure what to put on the headlight on the transition line of lense-> fibreglass. How much of the lense to leave to allow full range of light, while using as much as possible for an intake per unit. Air direction after being fed into engine bay; battery relocation will be required, and ducting will be required for passenger side headlight. Colour coded intake, or different colour code to car. Brackets to be made for headlight construction; should be able to design something from sheet metal to ensure both units are supported well, and have exactly the same funnel per unit. Do I spray the units myself, or send them away for professional spraying. Things to consider from peoples comments on previous headlight unit: [*]Larger intake for more air [*]Use mesh for intake construction [*]Reduce weight (reduce materials required - mesh / moulded fibreglass instead of filling materials) I am doing this project to design and make something different and because headlight intakes have such a tiny range in the market, pretty much anything custom done to a headlight makes it unique. It might look aweful... it might make NO difference to performance... but thats not the point. It will help air flow slightly, and even if it doesn't, the idea and concept gives me something to keep me off the streets I made a build thread of my headlight after production, but this time I want to make it before so I can update it. Stu kindly gave me these set of headlights (thanks mate, your a true legend), so they are in help of some noz love at this point. But this only raises the bar for me, as if I had perfect condition headlights, this would be easier. Here are the first photos of the headlights, I will update pics as I work on these units. I will be hoping to split them sometime next week... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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staples230uk Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Looking forward to this mate! Would be very interesting to see how this turns out! Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezzler Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 I have no idea what the MOT regulations are on lighting, but it might be worthwhile checking. Then again, I dont know of many cars that meet strict MOT guidelines. Good luck with this, like you said it keeps you off the streets, and it doesnt even matter too much if you balls the headlights up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsy Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Really don't see the point in headlamp mods like this for the street. Just take the light out while at the strip/track. It's a 5 min job. All it's going to do on the street is a) Attract attention from the police b) make no difference from how fast it takes to get to tesco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Has headlight venting actually been proven to provide any benefit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 The lensing on the glass will be way off as foglights point almost immediately in front of the car Plus are they adjustable...? And has been said, has one headlight vent even proven to increase power, never mind two? Still, if you're just doing it for looks, well, it's your car, go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted December 4, 2011 Author Share Posted December 4, 2011 I'm doing this just for something to build, wheres the fun in just buying something that everyone else can buy? Or just removing the headlight. It won't pass MOT regulation as you need a full and dipped beam, I can't find a unit that include both with projector type lense, so I'll just go with being able to drive with the units at night. Its not designed to be put through MOT's, just to be intake able to be used at night time. Having a single headlight intake has been shown to head reduce intake temperature, but at this level of power (400hp max) it probably won't make a huge amount of difference. Idea for this is for fun and to be different. A respray won't make any different to performance, but people still do it, so going to look against this as the same concept. If it work, great. If it doesn't, as least I'll have fun making something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 You will prob find the fog light is too far from the edge of the car to be legal as a dipped beam, asking for trouble from the traffic police if you ask me and causes em to dig deeper and find other stuff, result prohibition on the car !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leet45single Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 watching with interest mate. good luck with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted December 4, 2011 Author Share Posted December 4, 2011 lee i noticed you said you were going to make your own headlight intake. any ideas on how you were going to make yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leet45single Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 (edited) not sure yet mate still undecided to keep some lights in it or make a full intake just for the strip. Edited December 4, 2011 by leet45single (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted December 4, 2011 Author Share Posted December 4, 2011 Best to get a scrap one to practice on mate if your unsure. Im purely doing a twin headlight setup for fun as from what I can see, its never been done. Probably due to it not being a requirement or being a scientific improvement to power. But I need to keep myself busy. I'd definitely recommend trying to do it yourself. Definitely makes you more proud than paying someone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leet45single Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 ye just need to find one cheep to use. can you take a few pics along your process, it will be no doubt usefully to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted December 4, 2011 Author Share Posted December 4, 2011 indeed mate. i did make another unit as well but didnt upload as many pictures. i always have spare headlights knocking about, let me know if you think your need one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted December 4, 2011 Author Share Posted December 4, 2011 You will prob find the fog light is too far from the edge of the car to be legal as a dipped beam, asking for trouble from the traffic police if you ask me and causes em to dig deeper and find other stuff, result prohibition on the car !!! I won't be using the actual fog light mate, I will re-locate the dipped beam unit into the fog light position and use clear lense. The fog light unit will be completely removed from the light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leet45single Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 might be useful http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?624798-Ram-air-headlight/page2&highlight=intake+headlight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leet45single Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 lol just seen your in the thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted December 4, 2011 Author Share Posted December 4, 2011 lol nice post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjavon Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 This sounds interesting mate and if your pillar pod is anything to go by I'm guessing it will look good:) Watching with interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezzler Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Might this invalidate your insurance also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 I won't be using the actual fog light mate, I will re-locate the dipped beam unit into the fog light position and use clear lense. The fog light unit will be completely removed from the light. No you missunderstand, the dipped beam needs to be within a certain distance of the side of the car to be legal, I dont see why you would want to lose the main beam on a car with such bad dipped beam !!! You prob would not keep up with an NA down a dark back road cause you wont be able to see where you are going, cold air feed to the air box from under the light is just as effective and doesnt make it look like a boy racers dream come true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted December 6, 2011 Author Share Posted December 6, 2011 No you missunderstand, the dipped beam needs to be within a certain distance of the side of the car to be legal, I dont see why you would want to lose the main beam on a car with such bad dipped beam !!! You prob would not keep up with an NA down a dark back road cause you wont be able to see where you are going, cold air feed to the air box from under the light is just as effective and doesnt make it look like a boy racers dream come true. lol you've such a way with words mate. i dont want to boy it up i just fancied a challenge to make something different. and yes the dipped beam isn't great. i tried to find a headlight unit which includes both dipped and main beam in a projector style unit. most the ones i could find only had dipped beam or were old school style having a large reflector behind the bulb which would take up too much room. as i commented before the function of the units may be debatable, but i need something to keep me busy and make something thats not be done, bought, tried or made before. i can fully understand there is reasons no one has done it already, but i like to try new things. i was originally thinking of modifying a OEM airbox and carbon skin the whole lot, but this will be more of a challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdistc Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 From my perspective, this country doesn't get hot enough to justify a cold air / ram air intake. Sure a single turbo will cause high underbonnet temps, but that should be dealt with separately (via shielding / heat-coating / wrapping) instead of simply hoping that colder air will compensate. And in a non-turbo, there are many higher priority solutions that influence performance than a headlight with a hole in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted December 6, 2011 Author Share Posted December 6, 2011 From my perspective, this country doesn't get hot enough to justify a cold air / ram air intake. Sure a single turbo will cause high underbonnet temps, but that should be dealt with separately (via shielding / heat-coating / wrapping) instead of simply hoping that colder air will compensate. And in a non-turbo, there are many higher priority solutions that influence performance than a headlight with a hole in it. I'm going to have a turbo in 2 weeks. And like I keep saying, this is for something fun to do, not to solve a problem. The supra has been around long enough for most problems to have many solutions on the market. Heat soak is not a huge issue, but with the single filter having no air box, it gave me the idea. I'm not trying to solve a known problem. I have a turbo blanket, and I will have manifold heat wrap. I've not seen this done before and think the process would be enjoyable. Where would the fun be if everyone liked the same thing. Clearly this project has brought up opinions the idea isn't a good one, but peole need to try and understand this idea was a thought of from a manufacturing point of view and the challenges involved, rather than driving around with a big hole in my headlight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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