fastcar Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 TBH i hate ABS. Have to agree with scott its a PITA. If you do need to hit the brakes hard it actually increases your braking distant in the wet. Any of these so called safety divices are dangerouse to people that can drive there cars. The first time i drove a car with traction controll it almost killed me. But anyways it is possible to fit an ABS system if you really want it but as said it would be at a huge cost and not really of much help. If you want a good tire go for Toyo T1R's. Thats what i run and have no issue with them. Another good tire that i have used is GoodYear Eagle F1's. I found these very good in the wet but not as good as the Toyo in the dry. Im sure i had advans on my Supra when i first got it from Japan and even in the dry it would go up the road sideways with no real effort and in the wet i wouldnt even entertain it. Get some new tyres on there and you should be more confident on the brakes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 I've never had ABS on any of my NA's and not once had a bad lock up even at higher speeds. I've literately stood it on its nose before without problems, in fact the only time I can remember locking it up was when it was snowing. Perhaps you should take a look at your brakes and ensure there working correctly I.E. no sticking pistons or binding on the disk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Those Avon ZZ1 are terrible, IMO, quite frighteningly bad in the wet, and not much better in the dry. Whilst they make quite good race tyres, IMO their road tyres are dire. I would get some correct section quality tyres, and have a matched set all round. Goodyear F1's were a tyre I felt particularly suited the MKIV on stock width rims, but they are either discontinued or have been replaced by a later version. I like Michelins and Uniroyals for good wet weather grip, although a specialist winter tread compound and pattern can't be beaten if all you want is good cold and wet weather grip, and some traction on snow and ice. I still vividly recall a customer's MKIV TT on ZZ1's, they were indeed potential ditch finders. Quite WHY they are so bad I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Have to say I'm not impressed with the Avon ZZ1's either. I've sworn by Falken F452's (on a par with the old Goodyear F1's IMO), but there are a lot of tyre snobs who'll slate them. A few of those same people suggested the Avon ZZ1's instead, but as Chris mentions they're pretty poor, particularly in the wet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 In that case holy shit! Is there a way to fit ABS? May I say, LOL! I agree with trying some new tyres or maybe going slower than the flow of traffic on that road. I've got Goodyear Eagle F1s on the rear and Michelin Pilot Sports on the front and the rears only ever lose traction if I try hard (even in the wet) and the fronts have always gripped perfectly. By the way, Josh, with a red Supra, are you actually me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh42 Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 Lol! So I think we may have found a contributing factor to the locking up issue! Although I must accept blame for not cadence braking, I no longer have confidence in the tyres. Will be looking to replace these ASAP. Thanks all for your advice, it's much appreciated and I hope I haven't come across as some young whipper snapper who races about, on the contrary, I generally take it steady although I do allow the old girl to stretch her legs occasionally. --- I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=52.658659,-2.026095 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Agree with comments, good quality all weather tyres, regular tyre pressure checks and an alignment check will optimise the grip levels and stopping distances. After that I'd find somewhere you can do some brake testing to get use to grip levels in different road conditions. Some good advice on the subject HERE and HERE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham S Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 If you are still interested I have a complete ABS setup I can do at a very good price! But as everyone has said, there must be a issue with your brakes already if your locking up that easy. Everyone is different in their tyre choice, top of my list is Michelin Pilot Sport, even in the wet with over 400 ponies I had to really force it to let go. On the other hand, I originally had Continental SportContacts and they were terrible. I could get it to wheel spin just lifting the clutch. And in 3rd at 60ish would pour smoke off the rears if I floored it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 In no particular order tyre recommendations Goodyear F1 gsd3 if you can find them Continental sport contact 2 Falken 452 Verdenstein sessanta Bridgestone SO2 (old now) Pirelli P zero Rosso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh42 Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 I've been looking at A set of Falken 452! Excellent reviews from everyone tbh and they seem reasonably priced! --- I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=52.658313,-2.026392 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra-duper Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 I've been looking at A set of Falken 452! Excellent reviews from everyone tbh and they seem reasonably priced! --- I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=52.658313,-2.026392 I'll give the 452's a recommendation, just replaced them with pzero's and to be honest there isn't much between them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=52.658313,-2.026392 Can you let me know once you've changed the tyres and I'll pop round for a joy ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Bridgestone SO2 (old now) First tyres I ever used on the Supra, far better than the S03's they replaced them with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I'm a real fan of ABS, it's saved my backside, well more like frontside, on more than a couple of occasions. It's an emergency feature, i.e. a situation occurs that's unexpected for the current driving conditions. Usually someone doing something in front of you in the wet. It's nice to be able to heave on the anchors full power and concentrate fully on the situation developing rather than having to divert brain power to a sudden "crap, now I've locked up all my wheels" situation as well. I wouldn't have a car without it. If you think that makes me a bad driver then that's your problem, not mine -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh42 Posted November 30, 2011 Author Share Posted November 30, 2011 I have to agree with Ian. I like ABS, but after a track day last week at Curburough I have taught myself to cadence brake. Would still be nice to have the electronics behind me though --- I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=52.680530,-2.043137 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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