peter richards Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 (edited) ok here goes , with the help of a few members via PMS , and reading ians thread i decided to try and sort out the missfire . got a new set of clips , second hand set of coil packs , and new plugs , fitted all of them and still no joy , today it started first time and for about 30 seconds i thought it was fixed but then started to run rough again . so thats about all i can do , unless there is something else which is reletivelly easy to do with my limited ability and tool kit thanks for all the help up to now its appreciated peter Edited November 14, 2011 by peter richards (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraDan24 Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 If its driveable i suggest taking it to Chris Wilson, he's in Shropshire so not too far from you. He'll be able to sort it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted November 12, 2011 Author Share Posted November 12, 2011 to far , wouldnt want to drive it that distance running like it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 anymore i can do guys ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrosixfour Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Hardly a blocked fuel filter or a problem in the tank Peter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Try a different ECU mate, see if that helps matters. Or maybe a different ignitor unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 ok thanks , just took off the pipes behind the air box incase it was split but nope its ok, also pulled the coil pack clips off while it was running , and each made a difference so i think that means they are ok, think its out of my hands now guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanisLupus Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 You could rewire the coil packs if you feel confident doing it. The wiring from the Igniter to the packs gets brittle and causes missfire. Other than that Ignitor or ECU could be the Problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 ok thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 i thought it was fixed but then started to run rough again . Is it firing on all cylinders? Can you post up a video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 It isn't willy-waving, it's telling a member who has been on this site for nine years how to post a new thread. Anyway, have you checked the ignitor pack and the relevant connections? IIRC that's the only bit really left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 nope , didnt want to start pulling anything more off plug wise just incase they broke , is the igniter part on the right side behind the battery ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 From memory it is on that side, but to be honest it has been a long while since I've had cause to look. I know the resistor pack is over there too (near the suspension strut?). Think you need one of those EPC diagrams to identify the ignition system components mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanisLupus Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Yup it's the small black box with one big plug(12wires) and a smaller one(4 wires). It's easy to swap so if you could get one to try it would be a good bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 ok thanks are the plugs likely to fall apart or are they ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 it isint somthing like old petrol is it, also do you have a fcd there are known to get missfires if they have a bad connection, also could be a stuck injector if its on one cylinder if so tapping them with a objected can free them be carefull though, also is it just at idle or the hole rev range. check vac pipes could even be fuel filter but doubtfull but all things i would check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 it isint somthing like old petrol is it, also do you have a fcd there are known to get missfires if they have a bad connection, also could be a stuck injector if its on one cylinder if so tapping them with a objected can free them be carefull though, also is it just at idle or the hole rev range. check vac pipes could even be fuel filter but doubtfull but all things i would checkpetrol ok vac pipes checked them today , not sure about the fcd, will i have one engine is stock , and its through the range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GINNO78 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Have you checked the Intercooler......if its 15+ yrs old it could well have split and become a problem that will cause a misfire! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 I say again, try a different ECU. A member on here had a problem with his car dying when the overdrive button was pressed, different ECU fixed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 ok will do , thanks for the advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 I think it's at the stage you need a good garage to do some diagnostics, it could be something trivial, or it could be something you would never find in 6 months without help, with all due respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonkin Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Definetly worth borrowing a new ignitor pack Peter, very easy to unplug and swap them over. Its the black box on the right suspension turret about the size of a cigarette packet, has 2 plugs going to it. Also, check the fault codes if you are getting the ecu light on at all. There is a guide on here how to do it or call me and i can run you through it I also agree on possible ecu if no luck with the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 ok guys thanks for the advice , yes chris agree im only trying to do whatever i can myself . had a mate come over earlier he pulled the coil pack clips off one by one and no 5 he thinks is where the problem may be , as the engine tone didnt alter , so tomorrow ill swap it with no 1 and see if 1 doesnt work that way 5 is where the fault could be. problem ive got is regarding the ecu and igniter dont think i can get these to try , anyway lets see if doing this tomorrow helps eliminate one thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 ok thanks , just took off the pipes behind the air box incase it was split but nope its ok, also pulled the coil pack clips off while it was running , and each made a difference so i think that means they are ok, think its out of my hands now guys intresting ok guys thanks for the advice , yes chris agree im only trying to do whatever i can myself . had a mate come over earlier he pulled the coil pack clips off one by one and no 5 he thinks is where the problem may be , as the engine tone didnt alter , so tomorrow ill swap it with no 1 and see if 1 doesnt work that way 5 is where the fault could be. problem ive got is regarding the ecu and igniter dont think i can get these to try , anyway lets see if doing this tomorrow helps eliminate one thing you didnt say that before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Are you sure it's not an injector fault and you are looking for a coil pack issue? If you can extend the injector leads you can swap them around between adjacent cylinders and see what happens. It won't run perfectly, as the injector timing will be a tad out, but it will run an adjacent cylinder. I n fact you can put any injector lead on any injector and it will still run quite well. Pretty much just as any none sequential injection would run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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