jonathanc Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Hope thats a joke I hope so too... Responsible for our economy? Can anyone say "bailout"??? Why bail a bank out and pay the new boss £8m welcome bonus??? Especially if that someone takes a long PAID sick leave after few months??? Bankers are no much better than the benefit cheats. Bottom feeders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 source? Would love to hear that one too, sounds like pub talk. Child benefit - if you are working here and pay your taxes here, you get benefits for all your children, no matter what you earn - why would you be so angry about it? Wish it could be so easy to get those - I'm waiting over 11 months now for what I'm entitled to and my son was born here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 6, 2011 Author Share Posted November 6, 2011 Should have gone here: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/blas%C3%A9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 6, 2011 Author Share Posted November 6, 2011 My bad. What gets my goat is people moved into brand new private apartments paid by the council. My friend who broke up with his wife was moved I to a brand new flat because she was a single mother with a new born baby. I went to her flat as he wanted to do his responsibility as a father and put the furniture together. Brand new furniture, flat screen telly. You would be looking to pay min £1,500 a month to be staying there! Another family (old school friend) I know of moved into brand new house with 5 bedrooms! All paid for! WTF! I am on a really good salary but they are living in better conditions! Is the usual scam..... Get married, secure a council house, pop out a kid, divorce or separate and you (or your other half) automatically get a 2nd property? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Is the usual scam..... Get married, secure a council house, pop out a kid, divorce or separate and you (or your other half) automatically get a 2nd property? Lol What a load of crap, there are very few council house's left Thanks to thatcher pocketing the money from sales and not rebuilding the stock. More like end up in hostle if you are woman with a kid & then a flat in rough area & no help if your a bloke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagman Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 More likely is route via the LHA local housing allowance - a scheme to enrichen private slumlords , via the taxpayer . This ultimately will cause a division in the population and social unrest . There is an unhealty split in wealth , many have 2/3 houses and portfolios , far more will be lifelong renters without the ability to ever Own their home . This used to be covered by council owned properties , with the reduction in LHA , it asks the question what next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Would love to hear that one too, sounds like pub talk. Child benefit - if you are working here and pay your taxes here, you get benefits for all your children, no matter what you earn - why would you be so angry about it? Wish it could be so easy to get those - I'm waiting over 11 months now for what I'm entitled to and my son was born here! IMO child benefit is really unfair. People shouldn't be having kids unless they can afford their upbringing. Why should my tax money (which I pay, though I don't have to) be used to bring other peoples kids up, or keep people who choose not to work fed? Their is alot of sickness in our society, blaming the upper classes isn't fair, the lower classes are as much to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagman Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 "IMO child benefit is really unfair. People shouldn't be having kids unless they can afford their upbringing" Would you then include in this the cost of private tutoring , private healthcare , or is this a shared burden ? The upper classes -whatever that means are also the controlling classes if you wish - they put the rules and systems in place ,from allocation of land to the rule of law And therefore are to blame . The current destruction of the middle class and blurring of lines between ,lead to a 2 class system and the major troubles that comes with it - It's fine as long as each class moves up which happens in a boom - but once this reverses in a major bust it causes major issues - usually starting with the words - why should I ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 IMO child benefit is really unfair. People shouldn't be having kids unless they can afford their upbringing. Why should my tax money (which I pay, though I don't have to) be used to bring other peoples kids up, or keep people who choose not to work fed? Their is alot of sickness in our society, blaming the upper classes isn't fair, the lower classes are as much to blame. I dont think the so called (your words) lower classes have much control or say in what happens to them. As we all know money is power & control. Or maybe you would be happy if this country was more like india where they build a multi million pound F1 track & have a weapons programe when most of there people live in poverty. Now thats what you call a class system. What next Zimbabwe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Lol What a load of crap, there are very few council house's left Thanks to thatcher pocketing the money from sales and not rebuilding the stock. More like end up in hostle if you are woman with a kid & then a flat in rough area & no help if your a bloke. Tony, seriously it isn't. A load of new private builds are being forced into providing a percentage of the property to the council, so the council get X amount of apartments. Might be the case in other small cities but not so much the case in London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Tony, seriously it isn't. A load of new private builds are being forced into providing a percentage of the property to the council, so the council get X amount of apartments. Might be the case in other small cities but not so much the case in London. I take your point, but there has not been the building over the years to replace what was sold off & i do believe that a lot more people who work and pay there way are going to need rented houses & flats, let alone the people in real hardship. In a lot of cases robbed of there jobs by our goverments over there years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 "IMO child benefit is really unfair. People shouldn't be having kids unless they can afford their upbringing" Would you then include in this the cost of private tutoring , private healthcare , or is this a shared burden ? The upper classes -whatever that means are also the controlling classes if you wish - they put the rules and systems in place ,from allocation of land to the rule of law And therefore are to blame . The current destruction of the middle class and blurring of lines between ,lead to a 2 class system and the major troubles that comes with it - It's fine as long as each class moves up which happens in a boom - but once this reverses in a major bust it causes major issues - usually starting with the words - why should I ..... IMO state education, NHS etc should be free. Everyone should be entitled to equal health care and education, with people opting to go private with either if they can afford it. It makes sense that the educated members of society make the laws, some of the law makers will have come from very poor backgrounds and worked their way into a very good job. However, the lower classes make up the majority of the population, so they have the power to elect government that best serves their needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 The migrant population is also entitled to four-times the weekly going rate for unemployment benefit over a UK resident. There's that lunacy-thing creeping in again. If this is what I suspect you're thinking of bud, that's only true in certain cases, also depending on where they're from, and not paid for by the uk govt. It's possible to 'import' your unemployment benefit from your home country at the rate that you would get at home. So for example if you're Dutch and would have got £200 claiming at home in Amsterdam then that's what you'd get here even though the basic rate here is £50 (say). Jc+ make the payment but claim it back from the Dutch govt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Child Support - If you can't feed 'em don't breed 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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