Protein shakes

[kill1308]

I don't use any supplements any more and I feel all the better for it. I feel that this is just down to my body not really liking the shakes. I've tried tonnes of different varieties, but I could never find one that suited me.

Whenever I had a protein shake, I always felt a bit sick and got really bloated afterwards, I also found they left me feeling quite lethargic (like after you've eaten a really big meal). I did read lots of reports on how extensive use of these kind of shakes can cause build-ups of'sludge (can't remember what the actual term was lol) in your bowel. Probably poppycock as with most things you read on the internet. This didn't factor into my decision to stop taking them, but it probably stuck in the back of my mind.

 

Now I just try and eat as healthily as possible and include natural protein whenever I can and I feel much better overall in terms of energy, feeling well and I train just as well. I'm not saying supplements aren't necessary, far from it, but I don't think they suit everyone? Or maybe just not me? Just my opinion though for what it's worth, don't read too much into it though as I'm most definitely a novice!

[Mario]

. So for me i need at least 400g+ a day to grow, 300g when im dieting.

 

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I bet you mean, 2,2 grams of protein per kg bodyweight for gaining lean muscle,

for a man of 100kg it wil be 220grams of protein a day. 400gr is too much,

[SUPRALAND]

400g/day is far too much... it will overload the liver and kidneys

[Matt H]

I bet you mean, 2,2 grams of protein per kg bodyweight for gaining lean muscle,

for a man of 100kg it wil be 220grams of protein a day. 400gr is too much,

 

by your calcuation, George is around 28.5 stone.

[Mario]

It's just an example, 100kg is an easy number to use, if i used 89,73 kg i would have used an calculator.

[Matt H]

It's just an example, 100kg is an easy number to use, if i used 89,73 kg i would have used an calculator.

 

No, I'm saying that if I apply your calc (2.2g per kg) then George would be 28.5 stone if he needs 400grams per day.

[Mario]

:Dis that heavy?

[Wez]

This calc says over 200g of protein a day, surely thats a lot

 

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/calpro.htm

[Thorin]

400g per day is not too much for body builder types, hell I'm only 75kg now and should be having over 200g protein according to that calculator. Geo is rather larger than I am and kinda knows a bit about this kind of thing having competed professionally

[dude]

Ive gone off the shakes a bit, now just try and cram as much tuna and chicken in as I can with loads of banannas to stop cramp.

[Mario]

This calc says over 200g of protein a day, surely thats a lot

 

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/calpro.htm

 

The more newbies they can get on their site, the more they use, the more they need to supply themselves, the more they can sell, the more provit they make.

[Matt H]

This calc says over 200g of protein a day, surely thats a lot

 

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/calpro.htm

 

250grams a day for me according to that calc.

 

I looked on line about how much protein is in normal food and it would appear that based on that calculater, there's no way I'm going to be able to 'eat' enough protein.

 

chicken breast = 30g

An egg = 6g

milk (cup) = 8 g

 

http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/whattoeat/a/highproteinfood.htm

[Matt H]

I've done a bit more reading on articles both for and against and all I can draw from it is I'm still none the wiser about whether I would be better off taking protein supplements.

 

This one was quite an interesting read, but can I rely on it more than any other article out there that contradicts it? probably not.

 

http://www.theiflife.com/how-much-protein-per-day-build-muscle/

[dude]

250grams a day for me according to that calc.

 

I looked on line about how much protein is in normal food and it would appear that based on that calculater, there's no way I'm going to be able to 'eat' enough protein.

 

chicken breast = 30g

An egg = 6g

milk (cup) = 8 g

 

http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/whattoeat/a/highproteinfood.htm

 

A good day will be

 

1 whole chicken

3-4 tins tuna

2 shakes

4 banannas

 

then dinner Large Steak or Fish grilled or 6 or 7 lamb chops and veg + 3 ryvitas with a blue cheese and a pint of milk

[Tannhauser]

I looked on line about how much protein is in normal food and it would appear that based on that calculater, there's no way I'm going to be able to 'eat' enough protein.

 

You said earlier that you were making 'good progress' already, but this makes it sound like you would like to put more weight on. If so, is it necessary? If you're truly 11% bodyfat and you concentrate on upper body work, you probably already look a fair bit heavier/bigger than your 165lbs suggests (provided you don't wear shorts ). Look at Brad Pitt in Troy and Fight Club -he's got a great bod, very athletic, and he can't weigh more than 175lb. In fact, I think you posted some pics on here a while back and I seem to remember that you had a nice physique [/gay].

 

I chased size for years, and I'm still 15st 12 at 5'7", but I don't think it's healthy by any means.

[Mario]

400g per day is not too much for body builder types, hell I'm only 75kg now and should be having over 200g protein according to that calculator. Geo is rather larger than I am and kinda knows a bit about this kind of thing having competed professionally

 

From all the years I’ve trained I trained for over 9years with my best friend R.Vogelzang (hardcore)who in the past competed at the mr.Universe, one of the higher competitions in the bodybuilding scene, the mr.Olympia is obvious the highest competition in bodybuilding scene.

Bodybuilding interested me as a kid and started when I was only was 12 years old, learned a lot in the long road.

But to come back on-topic what protein shake is the best to take,

I always say that a supplement is a supply on top of normal regular food, so try to take as much protein out of turkey breast, chicken breast, fish, salmon, tuna fish,

In bulk periods milk products and red meat,

As a rule of thumb 2,2 grams of protein intake per kg bodyweight is just basics,

As a rule of thumb is in our supra driving community 600cc injectors will provide 600bhp (less when you take the safe 80% duty cycle into consideration)

One more thing to consider when determining the protein

requirement is that the body does not utilize any protein 100%. A

high-quality protein will have a +/-30% loss of efficiency while a

lower-quality protein will have a +/-60% loss. Ingesting a high protein

level increases metabolic stress to the bodies organs. A much

better idea is to consume high-quality proteins having the best

biological value.

I Highly recommand to any bodybuilding enthiousiast the books of Chris Aceto, which is a well respected man in bodybuilding scene.

I’ll leave now as I stated don’t judge what you don’t know, as building a race car needs more then only fuel, it’s a complex thing and needs study. I don’t know much about high hp turbo’d cars, but am willing to learn and understand, but it starts with basics, like more things in life.

[Matt H]

You said earlier that you were making 'good progress' already, but this makes it sound like you would like to put more weight on. If so, is it necessary? If you're truly 11% bodyfat and you concentrate on upper body work, you probably already look a fair bit heavier/bigger than your 165lbs suggests (provided you don't wear shorts ). Look at Brad Pitt in Troy and Fight Club -he's got a great bod, very athletic, and he can't weigh more than 175lb. In fact, I think you posted some pics on here a while back and I seem to remember that you had a nice physique [/gay].

 

I chased size for years, and I'm still 15st 12 at 5'7", but I don't think it's healthy by any means.

 

No, weight isn't what I'm chasing. Physiques like Brad Pitt’s in the two films you mentioned are a good example of what I consider to be in the vicinity of ‘ideal’. I am making good progress, but I don’t consider myself to be there yet, and after looking at this thread, I was wondering if protein shakes would be beneficial. I wouldn't like to think that any of the effort I put in at the gym was wasted because I didn’t have enough of the right fuel in me.

 

With the above said, after my session on chest, triceps and abs last night, I reassured myself that I can leave the expensive supplements alone (for the time being anyway).

 

There’s going to be a point in the near future when I’m going to have to start putting in leg sessions each week. There are too many examples of lads in my gym who are stacked to the hills up top and have skinny, little legs. They look like spuds being held up by cocktail sticks. I don’t think I’m quite that disproportional yet, however.