imi Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 For all the wrong reasons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Repost http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?256836-Britain-s-child-beggars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Repost http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?256836-Britain-s-child-beggars You just failed my friend Check the times of the first posts ... imi's was 7 hours earlier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 You just failed my friend Check the times of the first posts ... imi's was 7 hours earlier I know, just thought it was funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 but just goes to show what a soft touch we are as a nation. I am all for helping the oppressed but when it is this, well words fail me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 20, 2011 but just goes to show what a soft touch we are as a nation. I am all for helping the oppressed but when it is this, well words fail me. Operation Golf is no more, they got their medals and moved on. The officer himself said that the objective was never to get rid of the problem. What was the point of the program other than the just highlight the issue, talk about half hearted attempts - bit like the Fuel strike a few years back when the prices rocketed to a whopping 70p / ltr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 20, 2011 Is the much of a different between these Romanian Gypsy Beggers vs the Rogue Traders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjgreen3 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Is the much of a different between these Romanian Gypsy Beggers vs the Rogue Traders? Yes at least 99% of Rogue traders pay some kind of tax into the system (to try and look legit if nothing else). I doubt these beggars have paid anything towards the country they are effectively robbing from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Every society has bottom feeders we just have above average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Here's a simple fix, stop Romanians from being admitted to the UK? In all seriousness though, if a 5 year old came up to me begging in the street looking genuinely homeless, I'd call the police, and probably buy them a sandwich while we were waiting. Giving beggars money escalates the problem. I'd love to know how many of them afford to chain smoke, when fags are over £6.00 for 20 now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Here's a simple fix, stop Romanians from being admitted to the UK? In all seriousness though, if a 5 year old came up to me begging in the street looking genuinely homeless, I'd call the police, and probably buy them a sandwich while we were waiting. Giving beggars money escalates the problem. I'd love to know how many of them afford to chain smoke, when fags are over £6.00 for 20 now! Capital punishment for beggars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purity14 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Capital punishment for beggars? Cut the childrens hands off for begging imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Cut the childrens hands off for begging imo. Why stop at hands? A foot, a leg, castration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purity14 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Why stop at hands? A foot, a leg, castration? It is perfectly acceptable to cut off a hand, or poke out an eye. But Feet, legs and castration? Have you got any reasoning behind this or are you just one of these types that throw crazy ideas about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 It is perfectly acceptable to cut off a hand, or poke out an eye. But Feet, legs and castration? Have you got any reasoning behind this or are you just one of these types that throw crazy ideas about? I like to call it forward thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethr Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 There are some "campaigners" at a loose end now that the Dale Farm issue has been resolved. Perhaps they'd like to move from defending the Irish Travellers' rights to defending the rights of 4-year old Romanian Romanies (at least the Roma are real "gypsies" ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 There are some WORKSHY WASTE OF SPACE T*SSERS at a loose end now that the Dale Farm issue has been resolved. Perhaps they'd like to move from defending the Irish Travellers' rights to defending the rights of 4-year old Romanian Romanies (at least the Roma are real "gypsies" ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Lets get the pitch forks lads we got us some huntin to do:hunter: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest supra_steve86 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 i live pretty close to this, total joke them all saying "were travellers" yer well you aint f*cking moved for 10 years! feel sorry for guy whos houses back garden backs onto the site and over the years the poor sods been beaten up, robbed even had his dog killed by those scum bags and there moaning they have no where to go jog on the council even offered them 4 bedroom council houses to live in and half of them own houses back in Ireland GRRR rant over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 That old lezza Vanessa Redgrave must have plenty of land, if she likes them that much then let them move in with her, or is it a case of not on my doorstep? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 21, 2011 Author Share Posted October 21, 2011 Yes at least 99% of Rogue traders pay some kind of tax into the system (to try and look legit if nothing else). I doubt these beggars have paid anything towards the country they are effectively robbing from. The beggars rely on exploiting the charitable nature of our society, they are an annoyance at most - the Rogue Traders on the other hand effectively hold to ransom in the majority of cases the most vulnerable and elderly members of our society. so I do completely disagree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjgreen3 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 The beggars rely on exploiting the charitable nature of our society, they are an annoyance at most - the Rogue Traders on the other hand effectively hold to ransom in the majority of cases the most vulnerable and elderly members of our society. so I do completely disagree with you. Simply put thay are bad as each other in different ways. However the vunerable and elderly still have to give over their money which is a CHOICE they have. God knows why anyone hands over large sums before work is carried out or completed. I doubt the child beggars have a CHOICE whether or not to beg, especially the ones who have to answer to an organised criminal element if they fail to turn up/make the expected amount of money from a days begging. Regarding the comment that these beggars are an annoyance, try looking further up the chain. The monies they earn fund worse things in this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I just watched the program, unbelievable how they dress up to take advantage of some people. I am guilty, I have given money before to these people as I felt sorry for them & because of my beliefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 22, 2011 Author Share Posted October 22, 2011 Simply put thay are bad as each other in different ways. However the vunerable and elderly still have to give over their money which is a CHOICE they have. God knows why anyone hands over large sums before work is carried out or completed. really, you really believe that. Regarding the comment that these beggars are an annoyance, try looking further up the chain. The monies they earn fund worse things in this world. possibly, however not in the BBC program so no need to speculate. the kids were "probably" forced to beg but by their PARENTS. the child beggars are simply an annoyance. really puzzled how you dont see how the rogue traders are the cancer of our society, i rather have the romanians over the traders any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjgreen3 Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 possibly, however not in the BBC program so no need to speculate. the kids were "probably" forced to beg but by their PARENTS. the child beggars are simply an annoyance. really puzzled how you dont see how the rogue traders are the cancer of our society, i rather have the romanians over the traders any day. I know rogue traders are wrong, seems like you are waging a one man war against them but they are easily dealt with a few simple steps. Don't let in cold calling tradesmen for a start. If you need work carried out by a trademen ask family or friends if they can recommend a decent one. If that isn't an option ring a tradesmen up and ask to see a portfolio of some of their work (if a big job) and speak to some of their previous customers to see if they are suitable. As 90% of work that most small firms/sole traders get if from recommendations or word of mouth. Check that they are registered with the suitable trade body (Gas = Gassafe, Electricians = EAL,NICEIC etc.) Get a fixed WRITTEN price for the work to be carried out first before letting them commence. If its a long job, get a breakdown on a week by week or month by month basis and pay in stages, then you can keep tabs on the standard of work and only pay for what has been done. If you follow those steps you won't get conned. Again like I stated you have to let them in first, most people are conned because they don't do some basic research. You wouldn't buy a car for £40k without looking at it and taking it for a test drive and maybe checking its history if its second hand (or motoring reviews if its new). The same applies to a £40k extension to a house. I still state that the romanian child beggars are as bad (in different ways) as rogue traders as they aren't as easily dealt with, plus they are conning this country's benefit system out of millions of pounds every year. If they were just begging and not claiming I wouldn't have a problem. They are criminals like the rogue traders (although not the children, I'm talking about their families/minders). Also IMI the BBC will be biased to making 'entertaining' TV. I know its called Rogue Traders but why not give a balanced view and show some tradesmen who do a good job at a fair price? We shouldn't all be tarred with the same brush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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