fastcar Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 (edited) Anyone had any experience with these coilovers http://whifbitzperformancetuning.co.uk/toyota-supra-supra-suspension-parts-coil-overs-springs-nitron-p-1977.html Really interested in this set of coilovers but don't really know of anyone who is using them on the road. I'm guessing it's because of the price. If anyone is using them for road what spring rates are you using? What's the ride quality like? Thanks in advance Edited October 12, 2011 by fastcar (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sideexitsupra Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Have been in both Paul and Steves car on track and can vouch for these. Although theirs are higher spec than these. Pauls car on the road is sweet too. Unless you are going to use them on track to get the benefits they offer, I'm not sure they offer too much over something like BCs which are far more cost effective. Paul will probably give you an unbiased opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 (edited) The question that comes to mind is can justify needing such hi spec shocks on a road car? For road use bilsteins IMO are the best. Ive had them on all of my cars and id never change to anything else. Edited October 12, 2011 by Kirk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastcar Posted October 12, 2011 Author Share Posted October 12, 2011 i have bilsteins and lowering spring on there at the moment and TBH its a rubbish ride but that is down to how much the springs have lowerd the car on the front. at the moment its crashing over bumps and is all over the place on the road. im really looking for somthing that is good on the road comfy but firm and then can be made a bit firmer for the track. I have looked at the BC and HSD coilover's. I know lots of people use them but there not really doing it for me if im honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 i have bilsteins and lowering spring on there at the moment and TBH its a rubbish ride but that is down to how much the springs have lowerd the car on the front. at the moment its crashing over bumps and is all over the place on the road. im really looking for somthing that is good on the road comfy but firm and then can be made a bit firmer for the track. I have looked at the BC and HSD coilover's. I know lots of people use them but there not really doing it for me if im honest. Get a Chris Wilson Bilstein setup, it certainly wont be crashy and bumpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastcar Posted October 13, 2011 Author Share Posted October 13, 2011 Get a Chris Wilson Bilstein setup, it certainly wont be crashy and bumpy I was thinking about the CW setup. But then again it can't really be adjusted between track and road. If it was just a road setup inwanted I would have definitely had this setup as I have heard nothing but good stuff about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Clearly you haven't been in a car with proper German Bilstein setup before. There completely different to toyota bilsteins. Your right about one thing, they can't be adjusted manually but when your going for it they firm up like you want them to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastcar Posted October 13, 2011 Author Share Posted October 13, 2011 Clearly you haven't been in a car with proper German Bilstein setup before. There completely different to toyota bilsteins. Your right about one thing, they can't be adjusted manually but when your going for it they firm up like you want them to. I have the bilsteins from germany on my sup. And your right they are much better then the Toyota ones. I put them on with my stock springs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4packet Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Am interested in the responses to this thread. Have been considering these for an RX7 project. Interested to know if the pillow ball top mounts are noisey on the road and how durable they are without any dust boots etc. Nitron seem to offer a good after sales service for any future changes/servicing from their site in Oxford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Apart from the CW setup I already have I would only be looking at Nitron as a possible replacement to give some trackside adjustability, they seem great quality for the money, they are UK based and well proven on track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastcar Posted October 13, 2011 Author Share Posted October 13, 2011 i agree with you wez i think if your looking to improve the bilstein setup i think this nitron kit would be the best way to go. And at the price i dont think i could go to wrong with it. And with them being based in Whitney Oxfordshire i pass by there every day on my way to work. so could pop in and get them to do all the corner weights and tweek it for a trick setup. To be honest i made my mind up a long time ago to get the Nitrons. The reason for starting the thread was to see if i could get some more info on the way they reacted on the road and what sort of spring rates was being used so i could get the perfect setup. 4packet i will keep you posted if you like on the top mount noise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4packet Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 4packet i will keep you posted if you like on the top mount noise Much appreciated thanks. I assume you have seen their vast range of springs including the upgraded Eibachs. It's obviously nice to get it right first time on spring rates, but it seems easy to swap spring rates in pairs also. They recommend regular servicing of them. I wasn't sure if that is because they are less suitable as a road damper against the elements or if others dampers degrade also and no-one generally cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastcar Posted October 13, 2011 Author Share Posted October 13, 2011 Much appreciated thanks. I assume you have seen their vast range of springs including the upgraded Eibachs. It's obviously nice to get it right first time on spring rates, but it seems easy to swap spring rates in pairs also. They recommend regular servicing of them. I wasn't sure if that is because they are less suitable as a road damper against the elements or if others dampers degrade also and no-one generally cares. Yes have seen the range of springs they have. Think i might go for the Eibachs just trying to figure out what sort of spring rate i would need. Might give then a call in the morning and have a chat and see what they say. As for the servicing i think that should be the same for any damper. It is a reasonable price for there service though and they will come back like new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 What's the car used for? Nitrons are good value for a mid range shock, but you would be MUCH better with their double adjustables. Nitrons are well made, externally and more critically, internally, they can be re valved and re built. If you NEED height adjustment (most people think they need it bit once set never touch it and it seizes up, there's maintenance involved with screwed spring seats...). I have a new set of triple adjustables that I am putting on my soon to be returned to road car duty Skyline. No need to go for the expensive Eibach springs, the cheap Faulkener ones are fine. I can do a similar set up to them, with Bilsteins, but not height adjustable without removing from the car, nor damping adjustable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4packet Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Am interested to know what is 'much' better on the 2-way Nitrons over the 1-way design Chris? Does the extra adjustability give much benefit or is the damping much better quality? The 2-ways are another thousand pounds more expensive, so difficult to justify unless the benefits are obvious. Can't speak for the OP, but my RX7 application would be fast road/3 trackdays/1 trip to the Nurburgring each year. Would be willing to spend the extra money if comfort could be optimised on the road while still being a firm setup on track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 What's better about them and well worth the extra is you can adjust bump and rebound separately, which makes matching them to conditions, springs and the car a lot more accurate. I say conditions guardedly as really a damper matches the wheel rate of the car and it's mass. there is only little to be gained altering them for road or track without also changing the springs themselves. Single adjustables are pretty old hat now, they don't give much control; as bump and rebound are not separately settable. I feel pretty miffed if I work on race cars that don't have at least triple adjustables these days, the addition of slow speed bump adjustability, third setting, is a Godsend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastcar Posted October 14, 2011 Author Share Posted October 14, 2011 (edited) My car would be used pretty much the same as 4packets. I have looked at the dual pirtch adjustments and as 4packet has said they are an extra grand and are more for the track then the road by what they say on there website. So would it be worth spending the extra thousand? Sorry CW I didn't see your second post before writing this one. What sort of spring rate would you say would be best suited to a supra or an RX7 for mostly road use. Edited October 14, 2011 by fastcar (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 To me it would, definitely, but I value handling far more than huge HP figures. I also specialise in suspension design and set up, and love sweet handling cars, so I would spend my money on suspension , wheels, brakes and tyres that work properly well before spending on bling or major engine mods. It's absolutely pointless buying decent dampers if you have huge, heavy, incorrect offset wheels and schonky tyres though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 (edited) BTW the Nitrons have a vast adjustment range, so you could have springs for the road and springs for the track without spending a huge amount extra, and swap them, staying within the range of the stock valving and adjustment. Nitron have a damper dyno, and will do custom valving, but from you both say your needs are mainly road and not requiring anything bespoke. TBH you might think they sound expensive, but for a mid range damper these days they are pretty good value, high end stuff is FAR FAR dearer. Much of the reason for the Roger Clark the Subaru's success in Time Attack was down to exotic dampers from EXE-TC. Edited October 14, 2011 by Chris Wilson (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4packet Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Have been considering the multi spring approach for road and track. I guess it really comes down to fun vs cost. If you ignore lap times and consider the ability of what an amateur can acheive by adjusting these dampers, does that relate to a more fulfilling experience at the track or on the road? Like most things, as you go up the spectrum, the performance increases diminish, but the cost is exponential. Tough to know how far to go. I think Fastcar should buy both and report back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 As I said, *I* think they are worth it, but I have no interest n road cars at all, I drive an old Volvo and run it on secondhand tyres. If I had a dual purpose road / track car I would certainly have it on double or triple adjustable dampers. It just depends on budget and how much you rate handling V power I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastcar Posted October 14, 2011 Author Share Posted October 14, 2011 Well to be honest I have always said that power in nothing without control. Even though I do want to have big power I also want to be able to use it. I can see your point about the dampers having separate bump and rebound. I thought I had made my mind up but now I'm going to have to have a rethink. 4packet sound like a good idea! Might do it just for the intrest of science. Now where did I put that sawn off shotgun;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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