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Is there more to come from all this? Just *HOW* inappropriate is his relationship with his "special advisor", best man and travelling companion? What is it with these ministers, they earn buckets full, have a great lifestyle, but yet the trough of more is always too tempting for them.

 

It's that drive that gets them into the job in the first place. Selfish thoughtlessness always seems key to getting into these positions. Unfortunately once they get there the same drive, thoughtlessness and selfishness still remains. In fact it probably amplifies, with more power comes more desire for power.

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In my opinion, this is reflective of the same reasons that imprisonment doesn't work to rehabilitate people - simply put, society doesn't remove the right "carrot" for these people. If there was a genuinely negative outcome for their behaviour (i.e. having to work for the council doing community service for the same length as a prison sentence, having their nice houses taken away or something considered significantly unpleasant to the individual responsible), people would be amotivated to act in an unacceptable way.

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In my opinion, this is reflective of the same reasons that imprisonment doesn't work to rehabilitate people - simply put, society doesn't remove the right "carrot" for these people. If there was a genuinely negative outcome for their behaviour (i.e. having to work for the council doing community service for the same length as a prison sentence, having their nice houses taken away or something considered significantly unpleasant to the individual responsible), people would be amotivated to act in an unacceptable way.
I vote for you Andrew! :)
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I surmise that he probably is homosexual and that yesterday's hinted rumours may well soon develop into direct allegations. Whilst having no issues with "out of the closet" homosexuals, those in denial in positions of influence are a liability and a menace. For example, should a Defence Minister be a closet homosexual, that would leave him open to blackmail, and would also make a total mockery of any security screening that a minister in such a sensitive government position should have been subject to. The country itself could then be at risk. There's already been one minister in the closet gay community using the reason he didn't want his mummy to know he was a homosexual as his defence in using tax payer's money to pay his homosexual "partner's" rent. That is relatively benign to what a Minister of Defence could be pressurised into saying or doing because he may feel unable to admit his tendencies to the public at large, for whatever reason. *IF* he is a closet homo then I think heads should roll, both his, and those that have apparently made a total *ugger of the vetting process. With the law on the side of rights for homosexuals, even, God damn it, mooted rights to marriage rather than a civil ceremony, then there's no excuse for hiding tax payer funded governments ministers sexuality behind excuses like "I didn't want mother to know what I was..." excuses for dubious finacial goings on. Time will tell, is he or isn't he? If he is, what does that say about his wife? Did she know and marry for the furtherment of his career, and possibly her own financial betterment, or was she duped? It's better than a soap.

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All politicians are gay?

Ok I admit that was a bad generalisation on my part, and I apoligise. However there does seem to be a high proportion of gay MP's. Maybe no more than in other walks of life and it is just unfortunate that MPs are constantly in the limelight and being scrutinised by the press. But my observation is that there does seem to be numerous gay MPs and as far back as I can remember I can always recall hearing in the news of such scandal and shock. Just trying to think back and I think the first time I heard such an exposure was probably Jeremy Thorpe, maybe he was the first, but I doubt that. Bit off topic, but didnt he shoot a dog belonging to his lover or something? Think I was about ten.

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Norman Scott, that was it! You're on fire today Mr W. Wasn't it a shock when Peter Mandelson came out, I would have never have guessed. What is interesting (or not) is that all the PMs I can recall, have not been gay. I wonder why that is?

 

Anyhow, this is all off topic, or is it if the good Dr now says he is homosexual in the next few days? I think the point you make about leaving himself open for blackmail and the fact that the vetting procedure has not shown he is gay, or if it has for some reason it was decided not to disclose this at the time of his appointment is a very relevant point. We are not talking about Minister for Soap Operas and Gay Rights (forgive me on that one please) here, we are taking about the Defence Minister, whilst our forces are still engaged in active combat.

 

Edit: Just discussing this with my mate at work and he said "this would never of happened if Paddy Pants down was still around" ;)

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None of this stacks up at the moment. If I was in the closet, I wouldn't bring my secret lover to high-profile meetings. The lack of a decent explanation is the factor doing the most damage. Dr Fox, as part of the government, has been elected by the people to make political decisions. The people rightly want to know what the mysterious non-elected person is doing there, and what his role is.

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None of this stacks up at the moment. If I was in the closet, I wouldn't bring my secret lover to high-profile meetings. The lack of a decent explanation is the factor doing the most damage. Dr Fox, as part of the government, has been elected by the people to make political decisions. The people rightly want to know what the mysterious non-elected person is doing there, and what his role is.

 

Now I don't know but can only stab in the dark here.... but surely the defence minister can have a team around him that he chooses (subject to security clearance) to carry out his job, but in this case, is he employed by the ministry in an official capacity and therefore on the payroll, or is he a friend/mate/partner/companian of the Dr in a non official capacity, therefore why does his buisness card suggest otherwise and is he being paid and by whom? And if the later, how have the security people allowed this guy to be in on and privvy to such high level stuff? Its an amazing story and am looking forward to the next chapter. Bets anyone?

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