dude Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 http://www.septembereleventh.org/newsarchive/2005-05-22-571pglie.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Watched this a few years ago found it fascinating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty71 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Dont get me started on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Don't get anyone started on this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkddav3 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 watched a show on this yesterday... some people are literally thick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 If it was on a runway that travelled backwards at the same rate as the plane was propelled forwards... would it still have taken off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 5. The omission of the fact that fire has never, before or after 9/11, caused steel-frame buildings to collapse (25). A typical example of a ridiculous statement to make. How on earth can you make a comparison with other buildings when they haven't had an airliner crashing into them at high speed full of fuel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 A typical example of a ridiculous statement to make. How on earth can you make a comparison with other buildings when they haven't had an airliner crashing into them at high speed full of fuel! To be fair the statement is based on structural engineering including the integrity and melting temperature of the steels used in the building. It isn't based on trial and error or what has happened in the past. Cold calculations say it couldn't have done it. Jetfuel doesn't burn THAT hot without compression. I don't take anything said at face value but there are a lot of facts that don't add up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 If it was on a runway that travelled backwards at the same rate as the plane was propelled forwards... would it still have taken off? Oh no he di' ent! Personally I dont believe the US government would rig the buildings with explosives however the whole falling mass thing doest sit right with me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 A typical example of a ridiculous statement to make. How on earth can you make a comparison with other buildings when they haven't had an airliner crashing into them at high speed full of fuel! Very true, but the towers didn't collapse because of the planes, they stated it was due to the fire/heat. Same as how WTC 7 went down, though nothing had crashed into that building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Oh no he di' ent! Personally I dont believe the US government would rig the buildings with explosives however the whole falling mass thing doest sit right with me I'll never subscribe to any particular conspiracy theory, however, I will always say that what we are told caused those buildings to go down, isn't what actually caused it. Who, what, where, why is yet to be determined for me. I don't base my opinion on what other peoples opinions are, I base them on what I know about the things that have been said. I know about steel, I know about jet fuel, I know about shock impact. I don't know about corrupt governments, terrorists, politics, explosives, the boogeyman, etc so I can only base my opinion on what information I know to be true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Very true, but the towers didn't collapse because of the planes, they stated it was due to the fire/heat. Same as how WTC 7 went down, though nothing had crashed into that building. Go to university, swagger into a structural engineering lecture and tell the professor and all the students that they don't have the blindest idea what they are on about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Shock impacts (100 tons of plane at 300+mph) yet the building collapsed vertically, the maths is collosal, dont you think the top section would have collapsed sideways first due to the entry 'wound'? I have no knowledge of building construction but that bit seems like common sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Go to university, swagger into a structural engineering lecture and tell the professor and all the students that they don't have the blindest idea what they are on about Exactly, I don't know a huge amount about steel Scott, but seeing these video's popping up I went on to learn a bit more, then I watched video's from professors & credible sources & using the material out there I made my own conclusions. A lot of questions need to be answered but we will never ever know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky49 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Go to university, swagger into a structural engineering lecture and tell the professor and all the students that they don't have the blindest idea what they are on about And he's off. I just can't let myself believe that it was a conspiracy. It's just to big a thing to happen. Yeah some things don't add up but it's not everyday some nutter flies a plane into the WTC so I can understand people's mind's been else where when trying to remember what happened. I don't think the truth will every be known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Shock impacts (100 tons of plane at 300+mph) yet the building collapsed vertically, the maths is collosal, dont you think the top section would have collapsed sideways first due to the entry 'wound'? I have no knowledge of building construction but that bit seems like common sense to me. Even forgetting that and looking at the explanation given. Lets say that the jetfuel weakened the steel foundations in the lower floors of the building, the lower floors which people were still running out of as the building started to fall without any burn marks, and they were at the point where they were about to give way. Do all 4 corners give way at the same time with the same degree of drop? Basically what happened with the towers is the same as chopping down a tree only for it to land on top of itself and not fall over. Physically, scientifically and structurally impossible. There is only one explained way that made sense to me for how that particular event happened. As I said it is out of my level of understanding so I won't fully subscribe to that way of thinking, but it's the only one that makes sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 And he's off. I just can't let myself believe that it was a conspiracy. It's just to big a thing to happen. Yeah some things don't add up but it's not everyday some nutter flies a plane into the WTC so I can understand people's mind's been else where when trying to remember what happened. I don't think the truth will every be known. Whether these things happen on this scale/magnitude I don't know. Conspiracies definitly exist though, they happen all the time. It just so happens that they are often a lot smaller. The problem with this type of thing, and it's a great thing as far as the fiction goes, is that wackos come up with crazy stories and the people who might actually have something interesting to say often get tarred with the same brush. It seems when something like this happens there are 100 nutjobs for every normal thinking civilian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky49 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 But if it was a conspiracy who would of known, people surely wouldn't of let those 2974 people die. You say it's impossible for the tower to fall the way it did. How do we know it's impossible we only think it because it's not been seen before ( other than explosives ). There would of been a lot of combustables in those buildings that burn hotter than aircraft fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 But if it was a conspiracy who would of know, people surely wouldn't of let those 2974 people die. You say it's impossible for the tower to fall the way it did. How do we know it's impossible we only think it because it's not been seen before ( other than explosives ). There would of been a lot of combustables in those buildings that burn hotter than aircraft fuel. Because Ye cannae change the laws of physics. It can't be said it's impossible, nothing is impossible afterall, let's say it's a trillion billion to 1 shot that the structural integrity of a HUGE (the twin towers footprint was absolutely MASSIVE btw, you need to get your head round that part first really) building could be compromised at every single foundation to the exact same degree at exactly the same time. That would make this particular scenario highly unlikely, so unlikely in fact that it would often be referred to as impossible. Which takes me back to the start.... it would be the most unlikeliest thing in the world to have happened once.... it happened 3 times in a row... on the same day.... during the same event. And there would be nothing in that building that would burn hotter than jetfuel. Jetfuel burns VERY hot, just not that hot Oh, I don't have all the answers. As I said I don't subscribe to any particular theory. I look at the evidence and set aside the things I actually have knowledge about. I then look at them from a logical perspective and base my opinion on that. I then look at the story given vs the opinion I have on what could have caused such a thing to happen... they don't add up. I think every specialist in the field who isn't paid off or threatened by the government would tell you that. Any engineer or explosives expert will tell you what they think happened. They will also tell you what they know DIDN'T happen. The only part I can agree with is what didn't happen, the rest I am not enough of an "expert" in the field to know for certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty71 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Whether these things happen on this scale/magnitude I don't know. Conspiracies definitly exist though, they happen all the time. It just so happens that they are often a lot smaller. The problem with this type of thing, and it's a great thing as far as the fiction goes, is that wackos come up with crazy stories and the people who might actually have something interesting to say often get tarred with the same brush. It seems when something like this happens there are 100 nutjobs for every normal thinking civilian. Well said. I am on a couple of forums that debate the 9/11 facts...or so called facts, and 7/7 for that matter, and have been on those boards since 2004. Im not a conspiracy nut I just look, listen, and read history from past events to see sense in my own mind. There are some real enthusiactic "truthers" out there but then there are also pilots, engineers, demolishion experts, ex MI5 agents, police and firemen that all doubt the real reasons for/that caused 9/11 - 7/7 This is a very very complex issue. You doubt anything you get called a nutter My only input on this is.... the fires burned so hot it buckled the steel and supporting joins rivets, which in turn made the floors collapse and pankake on each other resulting in collapse! - or so we are told by the Commission Report) Look at the videos, the smoke almost straight away after the resulting impact/fireball was black smoke (oxygen starved fire) and the fires were localised on certain floors which Ladder 11 stated they could contain. The fires were so hot that this woman could stand in the cardboard plane cutout in the building!!!!! NO ONE survived above the impact zone Morheus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Megapython vs Gatoroid is on btw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 But if it was a conspiracy who would of known, people surely wouldn't of let those 2974 people die. Don't underestimated people Ricky, close to a million people have died in Iraq/Afghanistan, not to mention 5,000 or so soldiers. You just need to look at history to see that people in power don't worry about people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Megapython vs Gatoroid is on btw What channel dude? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty71 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Don't underestimated people Ricky, close to a million people have died in Iraq/Afghanistan, not to mention 5,000 or so soldiers. You just need to look at history to see that people in power don't worry about people. More people have died at the hands of their own governments than at war abz!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Movies 24. It's so awfully bad it's brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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