ADD Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Morning all Since having the single put on the car I've been having a ploom of blue smoke out the back on start up (not at any other time) ecu was changed as it was thought to be fuel starvation, but it smells like oil and is getting worse, and I think it must be the stem seal. So my question is what sort of price is it to get these done? Chees Add Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 ITRO £1000 if you are paying someone to do it. I'll do it for £500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADD Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 ITRO £1000 if you are paying someone to do it. I'll do it for £500 Bloody hell really!! Is it an easy job to do yourself? Ad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Bloody hell really!! Is it an easy job to do yourself? Ad It depends what you class as easy. It's a relatively straight forward job but you need to be competent with a socket set and have all the appropriate tools for torquing the cams/head etc. There are also 2 ways you can go about the job, one involves taking the head off (gasket kit required) and the other involves the head on (rope trick). The latter can be a little bit uneasy at times due to the fact that if you drop anything you need to strip the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodilx6 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Scotts price sounds reasonable as it's both a time consuming job, but also very frustrating and repetitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADD Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 It depends what you class as easy. It's a relatively straight forward job but you need to be competent with a socket set and have all the appropriate tools for torquing the cams/head etc. There are also 2 ways you can go about the job, one involves taking the head off (gasket kit required) and the other involves the head on (rope trick). The latter can be a little bit uneasy at times due to the fact that if you drop anything you need to strip the head. Ok mate, by the sounds of it it's out of my league Thanks for info Scott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 No worries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADD Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 No worries Just thinking if I had a leaky injector would that cause blue smoke and lumping idle? or would it be black smoke? Afr's very massively, from 14's down to 11's on start up. Ad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 injector would be black smoke its what i have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Just thinking if I had a leaky injector would that cause blue smoke and lumping idle? or would it be black smoke? Afr's very massively, from 14's down to 11's on start up. Ad Cold start should be 11s, warm start should be 13s creeping into 14s. As already said I think black smoke would point to the injectors (overfueling). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADD Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 Ok pal thanks. That's what I thought. Is it wise to get the stem seals done ASAP? I'm worried it's gonna cause det when in in boost..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Ok pal thanks. That's what I thought. Is it wise to get the stem seals done ASAP? I'm worried it's gonna cause det when in in boost..... Not sure how much of a concern it is with a single turbo, but I know it isn't cause for alarm when running BPU etc. I can't really see it causing much of an issue to be honest but wait for more experienced replies just in case I would definitely get it seen to, but I wouldn't be in a major hurry personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 It wont cause det, you only get smoke because a bit of oil has settled in the chamber. It doesnt take a lot of oil to make a lot of smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADD Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 It wont cause det, you only get smoke because a bit of oil has settled in the chamber. It doesnt take a lot of oil to make a lot of smoke. Ok mate I understand. So the oil will be leaking into chamber therefor on the piston correct? If so surely itsgonna cause damage to face of the piston? Or am I completely wrong? Cheers Ad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADD Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 Not sure how much of a concern it is with a single turbo, but I know it isn't cause for alarm when running BPU etc. I can't really see it causing much of an issue to be honest but wait for more experienced replies just in case I would definitely get it seen to, but I wouldn't be in a major hurry personally. Ok matey cheers, it's pretty embarrassing when you start it up and it takes a good 3-5 seconds to start then a ploom of smoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Ok mate I understand. So the oil will be leaking into chamber therefor on the piston correct? If so surely itsgonna cause damage to face of the piston? Or am I completely wrong? Cheers Ad Wont cause any damage at all, it may coke up over time but wont cause any damage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADD Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 Wont cause any damage at all, it may coke up over time but wont cause any damage Ok pal cheers, my mind is at rest for the time being Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 You can also change the valve stem seals using compressed air to hold the valves shut, thats how we did mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackso11 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Supraloopy (Dave) did mine, can't remember how much it was but it was a good price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADD Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 Supraloopy (Dave) did mine, can't remember how much it was but it was a good price. May have to sweet talk him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADD Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 Supraloopy (Dave) did mine, can't remember how much it was but it was a good price. Hey mate just tried PM'ing you but ya box is full Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADD Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 Just been thinking the car regardless of how long it's left for hesitates to start and always throws blue smoke out the back, so the sals must be in pretty bad condition if they are leaking when warm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Just been thinking the car regardless of how long it's left for hesitates to start and always throws blue smoke out the back, so the sals must be in pretty bad condition if they are leaking when warm! Is it definitely blue smoke? If so then it sounds like they are well and truely gone and dropping a fair bit of oil into the chamber(s). The fact that you can turn it off and start it up to see yet more smoke would lead me to believe it's leaking pretty badly. Being warm or cold doesn't really matter, it's a time thing with regards to how much oil drops into the chamber. if left for an hour or so you could imagine a few drops getting in there. If it's happening with you after a few minutes then that would suggest them leaking quite badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 whats your oil level like - are you having to top up from time to time? a slightly leaky oil stem seal would have very little difference on the oil levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADD Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 Is it definitely blue smoke? If so then it sounds like they are well and truely gone and dropping a fair bit of oil into the chamber(s). The fact that you can turn it off and start it up to see yet more smoke would lead me to believe it's leaking pretty badly. Being warm or cold doesn't really matter, it's a time thing with regards to how much oil drops into the chamber. if left for an hour or so you could imagine a few drops getting in there. If it's happening with you after a few minutes then that would suggest them leaking quite badly. If left for an hour you get hesitant start and blue smoke as you would if left over night. But if left for a few mins it's just a bit of a bitch to start no smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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