Charlotte Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 over here in dubai its so different there is no tax the locals are looked after they get given plots of land and money to build a house They also get away with treating people like slaves. I know where I'd rather live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Its hard to weed out wasters from people who need help. The only way to do it would be in food vouchers that cant be exchanged for fags and or booze. But then they would sell them and buy it anyway. The system has made it to easy to do nothing, some people i know couldnt afford the houses they live in if they worked. Some people i know are worse off working than not. Its the systems fault not the people. If someone offered me a better standard of living in exchange for not working id take it to. Dont hate the player hate the game Exactly - all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 I agree if you lose your job through no fault of your own there should be help for you. But if you lose it through your own fault or something like gross miss conduct or sexual harassment then there should not be any help for you financially. Also you should only be allowed to claim for a maximum amount of time and if you constantly fail job interviews or don't apply you should be enlisted or designated a job even I it's not what you want as to tide you over until a job you want comes up you can apply for and may actually put some real effort in to getting. These people don't have ambition so put them in a job they hate ten they will have an ambition to get a better job or lose everything. I will break this down into two points the first. No financial help. You cant do that people need to eat end of, desperate people do nasty things. For instance, gross misconduct could be for me, not wearing the correct PPE. So i forget to put my ladder harness on and my family end up on the street with no food? Sorry but im robbing anything i can to look after my family to hell with the law. What about all the tax i paid since 16? this should be able to help see me though until such time i can find more work. However i do agree that people should be designated a job if they are fit and able. I dont expect anything for free, god forbid i ever end up needing help but if they told me to go sweep the streets 8 hours a day in exchange for the money then im going too do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foley Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 They also get away with treating people like slaves. I know where I'd rather live. lol they take people from countries that have nothing and they come here so they are able to provide a better life for their families in india and pakistan. They get accomodation they get fed and they get paid a wage which is 10 times what they could earn in their own country. I know of many people that come over to Dubai as a nobody but with ambition and brains they have made their live a lot better and its no different from someone employing illegal workers in the uk and paying them hardly anything i know where i would rather live and that is here in dubai the sun shines there is so much 2 do u r not having to pay tax for a society of people abusing their own country and u r rewarded for the work u do. Dubai in the uk get a lot of bad press but if u come to a country u should adapt to its morals and way of life and if u abuse that then of course there should be consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Dubai in the uk get a lot of bad press but if u come to a country u should adapt to its morals and way of life and if u abuse that then of course there should be consequences. It's nothing to do with the bad press it gets in the UK - it's my first hand accounts through family having lived there for over 10 years. Filipino people living in sheds outside apartment blocks, being used as sex slave (shock horror, that doesn't happen in Dubai does it?) I could go on but it's not really worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathanc Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 It's nothing to do with the bad press it gets in the UK - it's my first hand accounts through family having lived there for over 10 years. Filipino people living in sheds outside apartment blocks, being used as sex slave (shock horror, that doesn't happen in Dubai does it?) I could go on but it's not really worth it. Shock! Horror! Isn't that like against their religion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foley Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 It's nothing to do with the bad press it gets in the UK - it's my first hand accounts through family having lived there for over 10 years. Filipino people living in sheds outside apartment blocks, being used as sex slave (shock horror, that doesn't happen in Dubai does it?) I could go on but it's not really worth it. lol and the amount of people from kazhakstan here that would disagree with u and live here now would 100% say that this is a better quality of life maybe the uk should take example from dubai and make all of the benefit claimers do all the rubbish jobs that no1 else wants to do. Any country u get sex slaves etc and u get homeless people and all of the filipinos here that have come over illegally to find work i am sure the shed they are living in is better than the shed they live in back home society will always work by having different classes of people from working class to upper class and if u r not happy how u fit into society then u can work to better urself and better the lifestyle that u live.. All i am saying is that the UK has failed its own people by how the country is run and how they have no powers to take justice because of human right laws if the punishment was severe enough then the crime would not be committed in the 1st place and if society appreciated and respected others then they would not do what they do i was brought up that if i did wrong i would fear going home through being punished and parents dont even have the right anymore to discipline kids and when i see in the street how youths talk to police and talk to others then they do need a good punch in the mouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Im all for getting people off of state aid, however you cant tarnish everyone with the same brush. You lose your job tomorrow, and they give you the basic to survive. IE you can pay for your car, you kids have to wear cheap second hand clothes, your eating value food, you cant buy anything nice at all. I know id do something about it job or no job. whats wrong with a trip to Primark... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradleyh_15 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 I will break this down into two points the first. No financial help. You cant do that people need to eat end of, desperate people do nasty things. For instance, gross misconduct could be for me, not wearing the correct PPE. So i forget to put my ladder harness on and my family end up on the street with no food? Sorry but im robbing anything i can to look after my family to hell with the law. What about all the tax i paid since 16? this should be able to help see me though until such time i can find more work. However i do agree that people should be designated a job if they are fit and able. I dont expect anything for free, god forbid i ever end up needing help but if they told me to go sweep the streets 8 hours a day in exchange for the money then im going too do it. I completely agree with what your saying about the tax. However the gross misconduct I don't! I don't believe that you would "forget" a safety critical thing like a harness but then again I see where you are coming from that they could unfairly put it down to gross misconduct in regards to other things. Again I see where you are coming from with your family and children, but these people who are on benefits are not in my opinion trying and are to used to living off the state. Hence why if you or I did drop into unemployment the tax we have been paying since we were 16 would all be gone due to these leaches and we would get treated like one of them But no matter what is done about this there will always be an up side and a down. Like everything you cant please everyone and the government rarely pleases anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 lol and the amount of people from kazhakstan here that would disagree with u and live here now would 100% say that this is a better quality of life What does Kazhakstan have to do with it? Oh, you think I'm from there. Hehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foley Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 What does Kazhakstan have to do with it? Oh, you think I'm from there. Hehe. its the hair u look kazhakstanian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 What about all the tax i paid since 16? this should be able to help see me though until such time i can find more work. That's what I thought, but after 6 months they stopped my JSA and now I get no benefits as my wife works, but if she stops working, we get no benefits as she would have deliberately stopped working. If its true that people on the dole live a life of luxury, I'd like to know what I'm missing out on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraDan24 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 I like the idea, however if you take away the only income, and give them a C/R how can they feed themselves? By looting and stealing. As aposed to paying them to loot and steal?? Here's a novel idea....they could get a job ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 They also get away with treating people like slaves. I know where I'd rather live. But we support slavery, the clothes or the trainers we buy are stitched by little kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 That's what I thought, but after 6 months they stopped my JSA and now I get no benefits as my wife works, but if she stops working, we get no benefits as she would have deliberately stopped working. If its true that people on the dole live a life of luxury, I'd like to know what I'm missing out on. move to london perhaps - they seem to be living in lovely flats in chelsea, kensington, 6 bed houses in docklands and other parts of expensive london. in fact there are over 10000 families where 3 generations haven't ever worked in the UK, so these parasites are nothing new to our society - for Gods sake the govt force people like me to slave away in order to keep their families alive. btw: id consider a car a luxury item let alone a Supra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymdee Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Round them up and burn them for fuel for the old folks - a sensible policy for a better Britain!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 move to london perhaps - they seem to be living in lovely flats in chelsea, kensington, 6 bed houses in docklands and other parts of expensive london. in fact there are over 10000 families where 3 generations haven't ever worked in the UK, so these parasites are nothing new to our society - for Gods sake the govt force people like me to slave away in order to keep their families alive. btw: id consider a car a luxury item let alone a Supra. Shame here & these people complain about not having the latest Telly. The thing that gets on my bits the most is why these people are rehoused in new private homes? In Docklands we had seen a huge surge of new houses being built. A lot of these worth £500,000 plus & while the people who work hard to live in a comfortable luxury lifestyle, their neighbour is sitting at home on their flat screen telly & moaning. That is one of my biggest moans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz1 Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Make them clean the streets, look after elderly people, plant trees, look after animals etc. I'm sure the government should make them work for their benefits!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 The states has a good system in that benefits are paid in relation to how much you have already paid in tax, so if you have been working for 6 years and you lose your job, no worries, your paid, if you have never worked or only worked a very small amount, then you get little to no benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 The states has a good system in that benefits are paid in relation to how much you have already paid in tax, so if you have been working for 6 years and you lose your job, no worries, your paid, if you have never worked or only worked a very small amount, then you get little to no benefits. We have the same here, but it doesnt affect you until you claim your pension! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 What about the people involved in looting with jobs and decent lives? There have been plenty of examples of them in the last few days - a care worker, teacher, a straight A university student...the list goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Its a bit like saying take your car away if you are caught speeding. Better to make prision a nasty place to be, so they dont want to go back not the holiday camp it is now. Not that i believe this trouble was in anyway connected to poverty. What do you expect people to do if they really do have nothing???? think alot of people need to think & get a grip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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