MichaelG Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 Filled up today with Optimax, wasnt even on the red.......and £53 How pathetic. It ctually makes me want to put the car back in the garage when i'm faced with a £53 bill just to drive it a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 the price of juice is beinging to pi$$ me right off..... anyone done a gas conversion on a sup before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13750&highlight=lpg+conversion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 I've always said that if cars could be converted to run on sea water..... the government would tax that too !!! Seriously though I think there would be government barriers brought into place if such an engine was designed. Same sort of thing when they found out that diesel engines could run on used chip fat.... they brought in a law to stop people buying enough of it to run their cars. This government (along with other oil driven economies) will do anything to keep the motorist paying through their noses for petrol and diesel. They'll do this because they are making soooo much money from us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markie Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 I paid 96.9p / litre yesterday for Optimax.. That is mad!!! Government should be made to reduce the HUGE tax they put on it. So, for my £20 I got 20.86 litres of fuel - I don't go fast anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 If, and when there is an alternative to oil based fuel, there will be an insentive for the masses to buy, then, as with deisel, remember the price it was compared to 4 star 20+ years ago? when everyone is running the alternative Mr Taxman will up the duty to be paid - almost weekly! - then Mr 'Greenman' ( the slipper wearing peddal pushing vegi!) will say that it's actually worse than before and that then will affect the price, we, the motorists are on a hiding to nothing, I hate to use this phrase but we are the 'easy target' it's like taking candy from a baby.. Take the Toyota hybrid thingy, really fuel efficient, but has batteries - I think! - how much will it cost to despose of those batteries let alone the car when it's reached it's sell by date? One does have to ask if it is so good why are the government backing and promoting it and all the other fuel effecient cars for that matter? - double standards and LOSS OF REVENUE PERHAPS? They couldnt get you whilst driving the damned things but I guarantee if every one starts using them they will get you at the end of their life. I have to agree, no matter how much we plead shout, rant, riot, and debate, (mass - debating in the case of this government!!) we do, we aint going to be heard my friends. Perhaps a revolution is needed - count me in! Get rid of the lot of em and lets have people that have at least some knowledge of the common man and his/her day to day plights. To many 'straight from Uni students' with power, what do they know about the real world which we live in??? Lets hear it for Wolfy - power to the people... oops, showing my age.... ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 We were talking about this at work a while back - they should actually vote for all the important things, not have a democracy where we vote once every few years and leave it to them, but on every decision. We were debating how it could be logged, because it would need to be done pretty quick not set up like the elections (maybe the new ID cards they want us to buy would be a good means?). We were also wondering if people would be too blinkered about it, like if a suggestion came in to remove income tax completely would people OK it out of selfish greed or would they actually think about the consequences? I suppose if they did OK it, after a month or two of having no emergency services and bins not being collected and the NHS going to even more shit they might think twice and vote to bring the tax back in!! Anyway this is off topic sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Regular 95RON topped 90p per litre at my closest garage today. ...and I just bought 800 litres of heating oil for the house (a year's worth). That's gone up by 50% in about 8 months! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 right I've had enough of this too. I posted about it the other day so i won't reitterate my dismay, however I'd like to talk about raising public awareness, since the newspapers have better things to report about. How about a mass mailing? We get thousands of flyers printed and post them through peoples doors? get lots of other groups and individuals doing it, with some damning words / statistics / percentages on there / throw this government out, they don't care that they're making us unhappy etc. well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Prawn Posted July 27, 2005 Author Share Posted July 27, 2005 A reply at last...... Thank you for your email regarding the cost of fuel in the UK. As you will know volatile world oil prices have resulted in higher UK pump prices than would otherwise have been expected in recent months. In response to volatile oil prices the government announced a continuation of the freeze on main road fuel duties for this year. We have announced that we will defer the inflation increase in fuel duties, planned for 1 September, owing to sustained volatility in the oil market. This will now be reviewed in the Pre-Budget Report. Thank again for your enquiry. I hope this is of assistance Regards, Jacqueline Nally Communications Unit The Labour Party Labour - the work goes on Well that clears it up nicely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 I guess they are at a loss as to how to explain why Europe pays less than us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 Be nice for them to acknowledge that the MAIN cost of fuel is their bloody stupid taxation levels and not blame it on the cost of oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bens747 Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 Has anyone noticed that this country has become communist, and is moving towards a police state, just a thought but who is paying for who. The tax payer has become the poor man, and the spongers are better off .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markie Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 I am seriusly thinking of emergrating to the US As long as they can ship the Soop over to me Use some of the cash they have given to other country's to help us UK people out maybe.. Sorry, I am a strong beliver in charity begins at home and for the cats *sage* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 Regular 95RON topped 90p per litre at my closest garage today. ...and I just bought 800 litres of heating oil for the house (a year's worth). That's gone up by 50% in about 8 months! If we were paying normal levels of VAT on petrol you would have the same problem with that right now as the heating oil. Basically as you are paying a very low amount of duty on oil the cost of crude by the barrel is almost directly related to the cost of the fuel oil you buy and as the cost of crude by the barrel has almost doubled recently that will explain that. Because petrol is so taxed the major outlay for it is duty so the cost of the oil itself doesn't affect as obviously. Par example you pay 30 p a litre for oil and 90 p a litre for petrol double the cost of crude and you end up paying about 55 p for oil but only an increase to 115p on petrol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Prawn Posted August 6, 2005 Author Share Posted August 6, 2005 Another reply. That's it all solved for me now. There's nothing that can be done, we'll just carry on being fleeced because the dti says it's ok Thank you for your e-mail enquiry. I apologise for the delay in replying to you. I understand your concern regarding fuel prices. However, like other commodities, oil is traded in international markets and therefore, despite the UK being a net exporter of oil, the UK is not immune to movements in the international price of oil. Recent high oil prices have been due to a number of factors, most notably: strong global oil demand, particularly from China and the US; low oil inventory levels; and geopolitical uncertainty in key producing countries. But I understand the effect that the high price of oil is having on consumers such as yourself and I do sympathise with you. More stable and lower oil prices would benefit UK consumers and also help aid global economic growth. That is why the UK Government urged OPEC nations to increase supplies in order to help ease tightness in the international oil market. Recent commitments from OPEC producers to increase production have already seen extra supplies reach the market and a softening of oil prices. Average UK petrol prices have also begun to fall as a result. The UK Government will continue to engage with oil producing and consuming countries to promote the benefits of more stable, competitive and transparent international oil markets. We consider this the best mechanism for providing reliable supplies at affordable prices. The Government's policy is not to intervene in commercial price setting because it believes that the consumer is best served by the operation of open competition between companies. However, if you believe that the high prices for fuel in his area indicates anti-competitive behaviour, you should write, with as much detailed evidence to the Office of Fair Trading (OFT), at the address below: The Director of Fair Trading (DGFT) Office of Fair Trading Fleet House 2 - 6 Salisbury Square London EC4Y 9JX. The DGFT has power to investigate allegation of anti-competitive agreement and abuse of dominant market position in the oil market Regarding rates of duty on fuel, this is the responsibility of HM Revenue and Customs, who can be contacted on telephone: 0845 010 9000 or website: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/ Regards Gavin DTI Response Centre 020 7215 5000 email: [email protected] Please discuss. Especially the part about falling prices and the government not intervening to set prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 We need nation wide road blockades during rush hour. It's the only thing that'll make the government sit up and take notice. They s**t when London ground to a hault during the bombings and urged people to get back to work... was it "to show we are not affraid" or because they were losing money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 Regarding rates of duty on fuel, this is the responsibility of HM Revenue and Customs, who can be contacted on telephone: 0845 010 9000 or website: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/ So basically, it's screwed, but it's not his fault. I like the leafleting idea, encouraging people to write to their MPs by the masses... between the people on this site and every other UK based car forum we must have the whole of the UK covered several times over! People simply aren't making enough noise over this, and when they do it's not co-ordinated or reported on. I'm sure that if every MP in the country received several thousand letters of complaint that the attention this receives would go up slightly...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 It's just pathetic that all these government responses seem to overlook the fact that it's their stupid taxation level is what we are complaining about ..... the majority of us expect oil prices to fluctuate and over the years it is bound to increase as underground oil sites become more difficult to find (and/or mine). But its the same with every response I've had from these 'government officials' where by they 'pass the buck' of the blame to the price of oil... when it is the fooking level of taxation we are on about ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Here we go again. Anyone for a group buy on American homes? http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13405390,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 another price rise here at BP this week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 That £1 a litre marker is gonna cause trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymanuk Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 If this hits the £1 barrier I think we should just cause absolute mahem by driving incredibly slow on the M25 at all major junctions!!! there should be enough other forums who feel the way we do...? If prices go up the government should take the hit not us.... 85% of the bill that we pay is fecking TAX!!!!!!!! Here's an idea...... Since we are paying for everything in the country with our Taxes.... don't you think that we should have an itemised billing that is publicly displayed on the internet so that we can see what the government are spending the money on. Not 2.5mil on roads, 6.5mil on Schools... etc why not have 400,000 at school x for A,B,C - you get the hint... like an itemised bill with your mobile for example? Or is this too difficult for them? rant over... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 If this hits the £1 barrier I think we should just cause absolute mahem by driving incredibly slow on the M25 at all major junctions!!! there should be enough other forums who feel the way we do...? If prices go up the government should take the hit not us.... 85% of the bill that we pay is fecking TAX!!!!!!!! Here's an idea...... Since we are paying for everything in the country with our Taxes.... don't you think that we should have an itemised billing that is publicly displayed on the internet so that we can see what the government are spending the money on. Not 2.5mil on roads, 6.5mil on Schools... etc why not have 400,000 at school x for A,B,C - you get the hint... like an itemised bill with your mobile for example? Or is this too difficult for them? rant over... Good rant. Both they and us need to start realising that it is *our* country, and *our* taxes, not theirs. I would gladly do a go-slow. Even if it meant driving to London first (that's where the M25 is, right?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Can't we all go into central london and 'break down' all at the same time in the same place!! What's the best way to 'disable' a car, so it won't go but can be 'fixed' quickly if you know how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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