Charlotte Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 I remember that I still cant belive he got life poor bloke He didn't - he served three quarters of his 5 year sentence and was released in 2003. I watched a programme about the police investigation actually. It made for interesting viewing. I always felt sorry for him but never knew the finer details of him booby trapping his house etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Its an intriguing thought as I, like most people, would like to experience the raw power and the erotic fervour of destroying another human life with my own bare hands. I imagine afterwards I would feel like a naked god. I suggest you watch one of the Saw films, with plenty of lemsip to hand. :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chazuk Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Hope this doesn't cause offence but he should have died along with his scumbag mate. I could not agree more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkpower Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 How about that farmer who shot the intruders, so if someone has a shotgun license with firearms in the house, could you use that as many people do have such licenses Issue with that case was that he shot one of the thiefs in the back as he was running away from him... Also his weapon was loaded and ready to rock and roll. Weapon should have been unloaded and locked up, separate from the ammunition. I completely understand where he was coming from though. He was just a man who had enough and took action. In a different world there would have been no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 In such times of doom and gloom (economic crisis, everyone's feeling the pinch, general consensus that the nation is too soft on crime), Clarke's announcement is a little bit of good news, and possibly a step in the right direction. Whether or not anything comes to fruition remains to be seen, but it's a positive statement to make. Great point. I presume this will deter a little from all the cut backs on manpower they are making within the police force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chazuk Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 He didn't - he served three quarters of his 5 year sentence and was released in 2003. I watched a programme about the police investigation actually. It made for interesting viewing. I always felt sorry for him but never knew the finer details of him booby trapping his house etc. Intresting I never knew they did a programme about it, I remember hearing about the traps it was on the news at the time but I would do the same if I had been broken into time and time again, I think many people do not realise what it could of been like its dark your on a remote farm and you get woken up by two blokes inside your house wearing gloves and no doubt face covered from memory of the news coverage, so its going to be pretty scray if he had not of shot them no doubt they would have kicked the living death out of him anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammytruck Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Maybe this is just a typical vote winning statement or view point from Mr Clarke.....another "vote for us" ploy....just one statement that says " if an old lady stuck a knife in an 18 yo burglar this wouldn't be a crime "...surely could not be endorsed by the legal system.........just cant see it myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Intresting I never knew they did a programme about it, I remember hearing about the traps it was on the news at the time but I would do the same if I had been broken into time and time again, I think many people do not realise what it could of been like its dark your on a remote farm and you get woken up by two blokes inside your house wearing gloves and no doubt face covered from memory of the news coverage, so its going to be pretty scray if he had not of shot them no doubt they would have kicked the living death out of him anyway. He was waiting awake upstairs - can't remember the full details now as it was some years ago that I watched but from memory most of the downstairs of the house was unreachable due to traps and general low maintenance. He was already awake, with gun fully loaded and ready to shoot. I don't think they would have kicked him to death as they were running away when he shot at them. I'm not avocating what they did in any way, just was interesting to see another side to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chazuk Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 He was waiting awake upstairs - can't remember the full details now as it was some years ago that I watched but from memory most of the downstairs of the house was unreachable due to traps and general low maintenance. He was already awake, with gun fully loaded and ready to shoot. I don't think they would have kicked him to death as they were running away when he shot at them. I'm not avocating what they did in any way, just was interesting to see another side to it. I never knew that side of it quite intresting that , but where has that line of events come from the traveller that survied ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 I never knew that side of it quite intresting that , but where has that line of events come from the traveller that survied ? No - from Martin himself and the police investigation of the crime scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkpower Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 You have to 'box clever' in regards to the criminal justice system in this country. A handy acronym - JAPAN = Justified, Appropriate, Proportionate, Auditable, Necessary. Fulfilling this as accurately as possible should keep you on the straight and narrow. In terms of budget cuts the police have been absolutely decimated. Cutting jobs, pay and some very effective specialist units. Its very difficult to maintain motivation when ridiculous legislation and a poorly run government intrude on the way the job is done. If things carry on the way they are I have no doubt people will take things into their own hands more and more. Just be aware a little accurate knowledge of the law is a powerful thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chazuk Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 No - from Martin himself and the police investigation of the crime scene. Blimey I am surprised Martin was that honest about it, still I dont blame him I will see if that programme is still kicking about might find it on a torrent site never know sounds like its worth a watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkpower Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Front door I would think. Someone in your front garden would just be trespassing which AFAIK isn't even a criminal offence. Trespass is indeed a civil matter, however, it depends on a few things. Are they armed? Are they equipped to commit an offence such as burglary etc. Proving intention can be an issue at times but you have potential offences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammytruck Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Maybe a team of vigilantes, all like minded, all with quick cars to travel country is now required.........mmmm, now what organisation could be called upon.........the answer is close i'm sure........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 Maybe a team of vigilantes, all like minded, all with quick cars to travel country is now required.........mmmm, now what organisation could be called upon.........the answer is close i'm sure........ I... don't... think.... that would..... class as self..... defense though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkpower Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 HA HA!!! This is true, I fantasize about a position on such an elite unit!! In the meantime I guess I'll have to make do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Great point. I presume this will deter a little from all the cut backs on manpower they are making within the police force. Well, quite. What they giveth with one hand, they taketh with the other. I don't condone the manpower reductions within the police force either; but we'd be foolish to believe we can't have something extra from the people who run this country without them getting something in return, as it were. However, in the context of this particular issue, the announcement is a little piece of positivity. Of course, there's a whole other thread waiting to be started on the police force reductions. You lead, Charlotte, and I'll follow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 I've heard it said that the only way to truly get away with murder is to kill a burglar in your own home, as apart from any forensic evidence there is nothing to suggest or prove he was even there in the first place, and no one would know his movements on the night in question to link him to you, an ordinary householder. Its an intriguing thought as I, like most people, would like to experience the raw power and the erotic fervour of destroying another human life with my own bare hands. I imagine afterwards I would feel like a naked god. Excellent. How's that pig farm of yours coming along Rob? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Excellent. How's that pig farm of yours coming along Rob? [heavycockneyaccent]They go through bone like butter![/heavycockneyaccent] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 [heavycockneyaccent]they go through bone like butter![/heavycockneyaccent] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 IMO this is very dangerous ground. I'm all for self defence, but won't this just encourage burglars to arm themselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 IMO this is very dangerous ground. I'm all for self defence, but won't this just encourage burglars to arm themselves? I reckon that either burglaries will go down or as they're normally dumb addicts they may just realise that there's more of a chance of a fight if they get caught by the home owner(s) so will be tooled up for it. Hopefully it'll be the former. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkpower Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Legend!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 IMO this is very dangerous ground. I'm all for self defence, but won't this just encourage burglars to arm themselves? How do you know that the majority isnt carrying weapons already? As far as i am concerned, and i may have said it before, anyone who breaks the law should not then be protected by it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attero Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 I'm annoyed I missed out on 4 pages of posts on this topic... but this is brilliant news. I don't find the possession of weapons necessary. Using such essentials including kitchen knives and sharp household objects for self (and property) defense in the case of a burglary is more than acceptable in my eyes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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