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Paul Whiffin

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Real racing drivers? He's not exactly sitting in the car park making "vroom vroom" noises, now is he? ;)

 

Sorry, but I had to laugh at that! Although, that's all he could do after being thrown out. :D

 

As for the 'real' racers comment. Try and keep it civil, please. I thank you. :)

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By real racers, I mean race drivers, people who pursue the sport of motor racing in actual racing cars designed for the track only or are even paid to race cars, as opposed to people who participate in track days in road cars designed for far more uneven surfaces than a newly laid race-track. I'm afraid I am siding with Brands Hatch here, they've been around for quite a while and have made a fair investment in their facilities. With all due respect to Paul, if its a matter of deciding between his opinion and that of the people who run and manage an international standard race track hosting BTCC and World Superbikes etc, I'll go with Brands.

As a side line, track days make money for them and I don't think they will bin someone off on a whim, risking all sorts of bad feedback and internet chatter if it was not a last resort. They clearly felt there was a problem with the car that warranted removing it from the day, after giving him a chance to get it repaired. Paul himself has stated that his exhaust was damaged, so the fault is with the car, not the track or its managers.

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By real racers, I mean race drivers, people who pursue the sport of motor racing in actual racing cars designed for the track only or are even paid to race cars, as opposed to people who participate in track days in road cars designed for far more uneven surfaces than a newly laid race-track. I'm afraid I am siding with Brands Hatch here, they've been around for quite a while and have made a fair investment in their facilities. With all due respect to Paul, if its a matter of deciding between his opinion and that of the people who run and manage an international standard race track hosting BTCC and World Superbikes etc, I'll go with Brands.

As a side line, track days make money for them and I don't think they will bin someone off on a whim, risking all sorts of bad feedback and internet chatter if it was not a last resort. They clearly felt there was a problem with the car that warranted removing it from the day, after giving him a chance to get it repaired. Paul himself has stated that his exhaust was damaged, so the fault is with the car, not the track or its managers.

 

Pauls car is a race car though, it may have started out as a road car but the changes have been done to make it compliant with FIA regulations. He is hardly a fiesta driver have a jolly on a track day with a low exhaust

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I know this is a bit of a side note, but is there not a chance of a titanium fire with all that scraping? I'm surprised the use titanium for skid pans.

 

Maybe different drom the titaniums I'm used to working with. Also I guess a chunk of titanium won't spark as much as cuttings lol.

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By real racers, I mean race drivers, people who pursue the sport of motor racing in actual racing cars designed for the track only or are even paid to race cars, as opposed to people who participate in track days in road cars designed for far more uneven surfaces than a newly laid race-track.

 

Where have you been for the last number of years, have you actually seen the work gone into Paul's car in order to make it competitive in the top class of his preferred discipline?

 

Its stablemate , SteveL's car, is doing a pretty good job of representing the marque in another series competing against ex-BTCC runners and others from similar production based series, some might even go so far as to call them race cars.

 

You are contradicting yourself at this point so this is the last I'll say on the subject.

 

IF Paul had been driving what you believe constitutes a road car designed to handle uneven road surfaces there wouldn't have been any problem now would there?

 

At the end of the day whats done is done, Paul is addressing the issue of the exhaust and Brands kept their new track nice and clean. If it was actually a safety issue and they were concerned about debris interfering with other track users then hell, I might even agree with the decision!

 

They seem to forget though that without the likes of Paul, Steve, the Nums, Chris Wilson, and all the other track fanatics, myself included, on this and every other site like it, what need would there be for the like of Brands Hatch or indeed any of them.

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I know this is a bit of a side note, but is there not a chance of a titanium fire with all that scraping? I'm surprised the use titanium for skid pans.

 

Maybe different drom the titaniums I'm used to working with. Also I guess a chunk of titanium won't spark as much as cuttings lol.

 

Everything, if reduced to small enough particles, will spark but I dont think that necessarily means it will support combustion.

 

But I do know a magnesium wheel will burn nicely if you show it enough heat!

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Where have you been for the last number of years, have you actually seen the work gone into Paul's car in order to make it competitive in the top class of his preferred discipline?

 

Its stablemate , SteveL's car, is doing a pretty good job of representing the marque in another series competing against ex-BTCC runners and others from similar production based series, some might even go so far as to call them race cars.

 

 

No I wasn't aware of the actual details of his car or that he competed in events with it. I thought he was posting from the point of view of a chap with a lairy supra going on a trackday, as opposed to a race day. Therefore I apologise if my use of the term "real racer" caused offence.

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Everything, if reduced to small enough particles, will spark but I dont think that necessarily means it will support combustion.

 

But I do know a magnesium wheel will burn nicely if you show it enough heat!

 

Titanium goes up similar to magnesium and is harder to put out. It needs a spark for it to react, not just heat like magnesium.

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Titanium goes up similar to magnesium and is harder to put out. It needs a spark for it to react, not just heat like magnesium.

 

When you put it like that we are literally strapping ourselves to Japanese-made incendiary devices and tearing about the place in sunglasses while listening to jungle music.

 

And they thought the kamikaze pilots were tough.

 

At least they were all heading in the same direction!

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