Chris Wilson Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I would like to see a return to manuel gearboxes & clutches, less aero & more mechanical grip Are they the gearboxes that, rather than crunch, say "I know nothing Mr Fawlty"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Are they the gearboxes that, rather than crunch, say "I know nothing Mr Fawlty"? They from Barcelona! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Lol yea thats them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I dont see a problem, if he is taking chances then surely it makes the racing more entertaining rather than worrying about his hair do and sitting back, he should be praised rather held back, its similar to when Schu got stick for a so called close overtake, jeeez wind back the clock and watch how close the racing use to be Not sure how his comments puts F1 in disrepute either, the world has gone stupid where you cant say anything these days, I dont see anything in that article as offensive, nothing compared to the head of F1 living out Nazi fantasies with hookers brilliant post..... really is a mountain out of a molehill story. would have been far more interesting had he punched a couple of the stewards and chucked them into the red bull swimming pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD DAN Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Some of you guys think there is no place for Massa to go. But I dont agree with that. Earlier during the race shumi passed Lewis at the hairpin. There is two cars width around that hair pin. http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz43/edinfreak/Formula1/Monaco2011/ShumiLewis.jpg If Massa is taking a particular line in at that hairpin that is fine usually but when you have another half of a car up your inside you cannot still turn in just the way you were doing when there was no car up the inside. This accident was avoidable. I think Massa did turn in a bit too much. He might aswell followed Webber as he was doing but right at that corner he decided to turn in the maximum he could so that he can close the door on Hamilton. But hamilton being Hamilton already commited to that corner (though he is not exactly on the racing line) he too has no where to go but onto the kerb. Racing line is only the fastest line to go round the race track. Just because you are on the racing line doesnt mean that you dont have to consider cars that may be coming on the inside of the corner to do an overtake. To be honest Massa was just following webber leaving a car's width on the track to the inside just before the hairpin. Then Webber went a bit wide at that hairpin which Massa noticed and dived into that gap not noticing Lewis was also aiming for the same gap. This is where I think the whole collision occurred. If you draw a trace for Massa's line at this corner (in the following 3 pics) you can easily see that he changed his direction quite a bit more than usual! Esp considering Lewis is on the inside (only by just) still I think Massa could have avoided the collision. From the third pic below he had enough space to his right. He might have chosen to use that by following Webber and get a better traction on the exit of the hairpin and still be ahead of Lewis and be on the inside for the next immediate corner/right turn. http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz43/edinfreak/Formula1/Monaco2011/Monaco1.jpg http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz43/edinfreak/Formula1/Monaco2011/Monaco2.jpg http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz43/edinfreak/Formula1/Monaco2011/Monaco3.jpg Infact Massa turned in so much into the corner that Webber clipped his front wing. looking at these pictures hamilton has his front wing inline with massa's rear wheels before massa has commited to turn in, therefore if hamilton felt he had outbraked massa he felt the move could be made massa closed tht gap, quite simple he wouldnt of hit webbers wing otherwise never liked massa anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey. Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 brilliant post..... really is a mountain out of a molehill story. would have been far more interesting had he punched a couple of the stewards and chucked them into the red bull swimming pool. Now that would be entertainment!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Spinning razor sharp spikes on the wheel nuts would sort the whiners from the winners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loks Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I like the way you thinking Nic Instead of DRS - arm the cars with front mounted machine guns, that are only active in the DRS straights and allow the lead car to weave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 From the line Hamilton took, I don't think he would even have had the steering lock to get round. I don't see why Hamilton gets so blindly defended whenever he makes a mistake like this? It was a foolish manoeuvre, the stewards agreed, and he was penalised. He was in the wrong, it's as simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I love Hamilton but even I think (in terms of the rules) he should have backed out of the overtake and let Massa/Maldonado go through to try again another day. He was hoping he'd get some leniancy as others had shown and give him a wide angle but either they didn't know he was there or were being stubborn. Never the less he went against the current rules and got penalised. Having said that, Monaco would be rubbish if things like that weren't tried, it's too hard to overtake there so you have to push and hope the other car gives in knowing you're faster. He was unlucky (twice) and showed his frustration after the race! Agreed, 3 litre 18 cylinder engines, turbos, big wings, big slicks, just technology and development running wild. Thats what the Blue Ribband class should be like Too dangerous. Isn't that why the turbo cars were banned with the contoured undertrays etc.? They were starting to go too fast around corners and the margins of error were so fine you were on the edge of death all the time! At least now they hit a wall at 150mph and climb out of the car with scratches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 From the line Hamilton took, I don't think he would even have had the steering lock to get round. I don't see why Hamilton gets so blindly defended whenever he makes a mistake like this? It was a foolish manoeuvre, the stewards agreed, and he was penalised. He was in the wrong, it's as simple as that. He's been made out to be the second coming by the media. His overtakes are exceptional in most cases, but he expects too much from the other drivers now. He expects them to move out of the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I think he lucked into his championship win, we all know he only got his seat because Ron Dennis marked him out years ago & there was plenty of other drivers in front of him that had the talent, work out the difference for your self Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I think he lucked into his championship win, we all know he only got his seat because Ron Dennis marked him out years ago & there was plenty of other drivers in front of him that had the talent, work out the difference for your self Is it because he is black? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey. Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I think he lucked into his championship win, we all know he only got his seat because Ron Dennis marked him out years ago & there was plenty of other drivers in front of him that had the talent, work out the difference for your self Ha ha, brilliant!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I am sure it will be the same when they find a girl who is on a level, talent wise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo2810 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Everyone having a pop at Lewis' talent have lost sight of several important points. These days it's not just the driver who wins the race. The car has to be designed, the engineers and mechanics have to have it in top shape in qualifying and on race day, the pit crew have to nail the stops, the team have to get the strategy right, and they often need a little luck. The drivers job is to point the car in the right direction and drive like a bat out of hell. Let's be perfectly honest, it's almost impossible to make a real comparison between Lewis, Seb, Mark, Jenson, Fernando and Massa as to who the better driver is when so many factors affect the race and the outcome. It's a good debate, but one which can never be claimed as a win, therefore pointless. Let's just stick to the facts of the racing incidents and quit slating individual drivers ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD DAN Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I think he lucked into his championship win, we all know he only got his seat because Ron Dennis marked him out years ago & there was plenty of other drivers in front of him that had the talent, work out the difference for your self lol dude with all respect you dont consistantly win races and get points all season on luck lol , ron dennis marked him out because he stood out with raw talent hence why his carrer upto f1 was pretty much funded once he was a marked man , maybe he just stands out because he is a fast black man lol (JOKE NO DISREPUTE INTENDED) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I am sure it will be the same when they find a girl who is on a level, talent wise only if she is black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I think he lucked into his championship win, we all know he only got his seat because Ron Dennis marked him out years ago & there was plenty of other drivers in front of him that had the talent, work out the difference for your self I though he was picked into F1 because he bet the lot of them in lower GPs. This includes, the likes of Rosberg, Vettel, Sutil, Kubica, Kovv, Nelson PK, Glock, Di Grassi etc. Hmmm ... what about beating the double world champion Alonso in his first rookie year. Never know that Ron Dennis did a coin toss to pick him. Thanks for letting us know btw ;-) Most of you know about this ... But check him coming from the back of the field to grab the win in Turkey Race 2 in 23 laps - GP2 Series ( I think it is just brilliant) - this is before coming to F1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbjRFd205qo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Also Anthony Davidson (previous F1 driver) doesnt agree with the critics in here on Hamilton's overtake on Massa. He feels that Massa turned in quite a bit early than usual to take the corner (may be he has not seen Hamilton in his mirrors or she intentionally shut the door on Hamilton). You guys might have seen Webber clipping Massa's front wing. just before the incident. This is because he turned in early into the corner. If you want to listen to his views check this link from 15mins onwards: http://www.spokenword.org/program/1526796 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I though he was picked into F1 because he bet the lot of them in lower GPs. This includes, the likes of Rosberg, Vettel, Sutil, Kubica, Kovv, Nelson PK, Glock, Di Grassi etc. Hmmm ... what about beating the double world champion Alonso in his first rookie year. Never know that Ron Dennis did a coin toss to pick him. Thanks for letting us know btw ;-) Most of you know about this ... But check him coming from the back of the field to grab the win in Turkey Race 2 in 23 laps - GP2 Series ( I think it is just brilliant) - this is before coming to F1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbjRFd205qoThats what it is he still drives like he is in GP2;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/may/30/lewis-hamilton-jackie-stewart-monaco-f1, Mind you i do think this guy carry's i bit more weight with his comments than Anthony Davidson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 "But some people are annoyed that Hamilton's ill-chosen words dominated the news agenda after one of the most exciting Monaco Grands Prix seen in years." Like most monaco races it was uttering boring, especially when they killed any chance of racing by changing to new tyres 5 laps from the end....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 "But some people are annoyed that Hamilton's ill-chosen words dominated the news agenda after one of the most exciting Monaco Grands Prix seen in years." Like most monaco races it was uttering boring, especially when they killed any chance of racing by changing to new tyres 5 laps from the end....... Yea very odd rule, letting you change tyres & repair cars on the the grid 5 laps from the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/may/30/lewis-hamilton-jackie-stewart-monaco-f1, Mind you i do think this guy carry's i bit more weight with his comments than Anthony Davidson. I totally agree with Jackie Stewart. His remarks are towards hamiltons behaviour off the track complaining on Stewards and on other driver which I too find quite upsetting. His comments are not about the on the track incidents involving Hamilton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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