edinlexusV8 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 So the inconsistency of the decisions, maybe the others should have been penalised too rather than Hamilton being in the right? Why would the stewards pick on him ? May be because he does the overtakes and comes out too aggressive. Tries to take advantage of every opportunity. But he doesnt want to say these when the press asked him, so he said "May be because I am Black ... As ALI G says" as a joke ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 In Fuji 2008, Hamilton started from Pole and outbraked himself. No damage done to anybody ... but he got a drive through penalty ... http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/fuji_start_2008.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 ZDfkz0J74Qg He only got a repremand for this - it should have been a drive through, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I hope you know what is defending from an overtake and what is no allowing the next driver to use the tow/slip stream or breaking the tow. If Petrov is faster then why dont he just get on with overtaking and sticking to his racing line but rather follow Hamilton all the way to the right then to the left and then to the right. Ok Hamilton weaved too much than usual and he put his hand up and apologised and rules changed after that about weaving. FIA has to give penalties only if the driver actions are dangerous like if you are the slow driver at that moment in the race and you go straight onto another drivers racing line to block him from an overtake. Looks like what you want is a boring race with fast parade laps with no action ... but then it wont be a race. You may aswell give all the point after the qualifying on saturday. That will stop any racing incidents/crashes/penalties and we can have a free sunday to ourself too ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 This is an example ... if Shumi starts weaving, Barrichello will be ahead of him straight away as he is already in the tow/slip steam. This is not the same above.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo971KDXsbI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I hope you know what is defending from an overtake and what is no allowing the next driver to use the tow/slip stream or breaking the tow. If Petrov is faster then why dont he just get on with overtaking and sticking to his racing line but rather follow Hamilton all the way to the right then to the left and then to the right. Ok Hamilton weaved too much than usual and he put his hand up and apologised and rules changed after that about weaving. FIA has to give penalties only if the driver actions are dangerous like if you are the slow driver at that moment in the race and you go straight onto another drivers racing line to block him from an overtake. Looks like what you want is a boring race with fast parade laps with no action ... but then it wont be a race. You may aswell give all the point after the qualifying on saturday. That will stop any racing incidents/crashes/penalties and we can have a free sunday to ourself too ;-) Hamilton was trying to break the tow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Also Lewis was voicing his concerns about the inconsistency in Stewards giving penalties. Similar event happened in Singapore last year between Webber and Hamilton. Webber never received any penalty for that. [video=youtube;Ynp28-jt8J0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ynp28-jt8J0 Webber was allready there & Hamilton turned in on him instead of going wider? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Same as in Massa turning early at the hairpin blocking Hamilton - Check my post 49. Anthony Davidson agrees with this too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Hamilton was trying to break the tow! The point is he is not blocking Petrov ... unlike Shumi on Barrichello. If the driver behind takes a line to overtake and then the driver ahead takes the same line later then it is blocking. If the driver ahead takes a line (may be a weaving line) it is not blocking as the other driver behind can go the other way unlike Petrov who followed Hamilton as he wanted to get the full use of the slipstream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holeshot Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Hamilton was trying to break the tow! So what's the problem? He wasn't blocking an overtake which is what you are supposed to be penalised for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Webber was allready there & Hamilton turned in on him instead of going wider? Yep, check the same race, with Kubica, he left Sutil I think it was a lot more room - check at 20s in. GiWhFywFPcE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 ZDfkz0J74Qg He only got a repremand for this - it should have been a drive through, IMO. The first overtake was how it should be done, including how the yellow car did NOT turn in on hamilton, but then what is all that weaving???? Should be NO one move should have to hold your line. I say again you would not do this back in the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Yeah my point being ... Webber never got a penalty in Singapore 2010 then why should Hamilton in Monaco 2011 Just showing that FIA are being inconsistent with their penalties. They could have treated it as a racing incident at the hairpin but decided to give a drive through for Hamilton. This is poor stewarding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 F1 is dull and boring, Monaco is a ludicrous venue for F1 cars, and Hamilton is dull and boring, end of.... I want to see proper characters back in F1, and proper racing. There should be a free formula with no sponsorship on the cars, where so long as it's wheel driven, and is driven by a driver who smokes, drinks and has an excessive and predatory sexual appetite, and who speaks politically incorrectly, when sober, anything goes. Hunt, Graham Hill, Keke Rosberg, Alan Jones, fine. Hamilton, God no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Yep, check the same race, with Kubica, he left Sutil I think it was a lot more room - check at 20s in. GiWhFywFPcE Out braked him, thats a good move? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 F1 is dull and boring, Monaco is a ludicrous venue for F1 cars, and Hamilton is dull and boring, end of.... I want to see proper characters back in F1, and proper racing. There should be a free formula with no sponsorship on the cars, where so long as it's wheel driven, and is driven by a driver who smokes, drinks and has an excessive and predatory sexual appetite, and who speaks politically incorrectly, when sober, anything goes. Hunt, Graham Hill, Keke Rosberg, Alan Jones, fine. Hamilton, God no. 100% right there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 F1 is dull and boring, Monaco is a ludicrous venue for F1 cars, and Hamilton is dull and boring, end of.... I want to see proper characters back in F1, and proper racing. There should be a free formula with no sponsorship on the cars, where so long as it's wheel driven, and is driven by a driver who smokes, drinks and has an excessive and predatory sexual appetite, and who speaks politically incorrectly, when sober, anything goes. Hunt, Graham Hill, Keke Rosberg, Alan Jones, fine. Hamilton, God no. You may be right about Hamilton but out of the current existing bunch if you remove Hamilton ... you will end up with nothing at all to watch in F1. See how the first 3 cars just kept following each other for almost 40 laps changing positions only in the pits. Even Webber never made any moves until he got some new tyres in the last 6 laps due to Red flag. Only action was going on around Shumi and around Hamilton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I don't watch it anyway Too much money spent in the wind tunnels, engine development capped, (all real race engine development is limited to GP bikes at the moment, which is sad, and it's done little to contain costs), all this blather about being green, saving fuel and KERS, which has had zero feedback into road cars. F1 isn't green, isn't supposed to be, and never will be. The best way for the human race to be green is to keep their reproduction down to sustainable levels, not taint motorsport with ludicrous and unworkable saps to saving the planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 You may be right about Hamilton but out of the current existing bunch if you remove Hamilton ... you will end up with nothing at all to watch in F1. See how the first 3 cars just kept following each other for almost 40 laps changing positions only in the pits. Even Webber never made any moves until he got some new tyres in the last 6 laps due to Red flag. Only action was going on around Shumi and around Hamilton. Thats the nature of monaco, If you get time look out some the races from the 70's wheel to wheel racing no chopping or weaving the real elite of motor sport driver's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Thats the nature of monaco, If you get time look out some the races from the 70's wheel to wheel racing no chopping or weaving the real elite of motor sport driver's Well the new aero setup allows slipstreaming a bit more than in 70s. So dont expect drivers in 70s to weave and break the tow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I don't watch it anyway Too much money spent in the wind tunnels, engine development capped, (all real race engine development is limited to GP bikes at the moment, which is sad, and it's done little to contain costs), all this blather about being green, saving fuel and KERS, which has had zero feedback into road cars. F1 isn't green, isn't supposed to be, and never will be. The best way for the human race to be green is to keep their reproduction down to sustainable levels, not taint motorsport with ludicrous and unworkable saps to saving the planet. Agree 100% on that! But I know why F1 wants to go green. Not because to create a green F1 but to get more manufacturers into the game competing and paying more to Bernie for racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Some of you maynot appreciate today's F1 due to not having Wheel to Wheel racing. It has become more of an engineering sport than drivers racing. But ... the fastest time is monaco is not set in 70or 80 or 90. The fastest time around Monaco is 1:13.5. This is only achievable due to the current aerodynamics. I personally would like to see the lap times going down every year and the average speed round the track going up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I would like to see a return to manuel gearboxes & clutches, less aero & more mechanical grip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 free formula with no sponsorship on the cars, where so long as it's wheel driven Agreed, 3 litre 18 cylinder engines, turbos, big wings, big slicks, just technology and development running wild. Thats what the Blue Ribband class should be like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinlexusV8 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 TBH manual gearboxes will give way to automated ones. Looking at the way things are going with the current technology with in cars, in a few years time (not a long time from now) I dont think manufaturers will even use a manual transmission in any of their cars. Every thing will get automated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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