cje001 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 Ironically, it's the people that don't believe in God or an afterlife, but do right in their lives and look after others that are the truely good people in the world. As they don't do it for reward, they understand that they won't get a big thank you and a seat next to the big man after death. They do it because they are in-builit with empathy and a moral compass that doesn't need reason or a selfish push to be good. A very good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Ironically, it's the people that don't believe in God or an afterlife, but do right in their lives and look after others that are the truely good people in the world. As they don't do it for reward, they understand that they won't get a big thank you and a seat next to the big man after death. They do it because they are in-builit with empathy and a moral compass that doesn't need reason or a selfish push to be good. I checked the name 3 times on that one.... good post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I checked the name 3 times on that one.... good post A very good post. Ta, I try to squeeze one out every now and again...... oh hang on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Or maybe we should ask an Iraqi Kurd.... yeah maybe you should - then they could tell you about Our role in their affairs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdistan#Kurdish_revolts_under_British_control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 1) http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/24/british-torture-human-rights-pakistan 2) NATO (which the UK is big part of) uses pakistan as a transit route to supply its troops with weapons/fuel/food into afghanistan 3) NATO/US air strikes in pakistan... killing innocent civilians. the above are just a small number of things.... So presumably in regards to number 2 it has been agreed NATO can use Pakistan by their own government? Number 3 - I don't know which 'event' you are referring to - was this recently? I recall the terrorist attacks on Sri Lankan and England Cricket players (separate years) a few years ago - I was keen to understand the motivation behind those such attacks. Perhaps a bit OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I feel what we can learn from this thread is the answer to the original question, are religious people nuts? Its clear from the last 7 pages that those with a strong belief in religion have gone very wrong in the head. and which side of the line are you standing on (religion or "science") to be making such an expert analysis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cje001 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 I feel what we can learn from this thread is the answer to the original question, are religious people nuts? Its clear from the last 7 pages that those with a strong belief in religion have gone very wrong in the head. Agreed the debate has moved to several regions 1) Religon - is it at the heart of many of the worlds really bad moment, wars, terrorism etc 2) Governments - are they trusted (nope IMO) and do they act to fulfil their own/countries needs (well yes, thats what they are there for) The two are linked but my initial point was the starting point of these atrocities... NOT why are we still in Iraq but why did it start,,,, NOT who supported Hitler but why did it start... NOT did the US start Al Quada 40yrs ago or did they help with 911...but was Al Quada`s motives fuelled and guided by religion..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 and which side of the line are you standing on (religion or "science") to be making such an expert analysis? I've wasted enough time in the last religion/9-11 thread to repeat myself here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I checked the name 3 times on that one.... good post Weirdly enough, so did I. Boy done good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I`m dismissive of religion because i simply dont believe, i just cant see it - science disproves so much of religion. Yet the fact science has come so far it hasn't disproved much of religion at all, infact, a lot of archeological finds have actually uncovered more pointing to stories in the bible having happened.. Another thing though is that science has still never been able to answer the question why, surely you have to realise that a higher power must be in existance(regardless of whether you believe in a god) for us/earth/galaxy/universe/space/time to be here. Ask any qualified and respected scientist/astrologist whether god exists and they will never say no I have a very open mind and happy to see other peoples views on anything, but people cannot completely deny things that they have not yet fully understood (be it conspiracies or religion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cje001 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 yeah maybe you should - then they could tell you about Our role in their affairs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdistan#Kurdish_revolts_under_British_control Massacre of Iraqi Kurdish People by PMOI Which section were you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 So presumably in regards to number 2 it has been agreed NATO can use Pakistan by their own government? Number 3 - I don't know which 'event' you are referring to - was this recently? I recall the terrorist attacks on Sri Lankan and England Cricket players (separate years) a few years ago - I was keen to understand the motivation behind those such attacks. Perhaps a bit OT. Pakistan was given an ultimatum by war criminal george bush jr in his famous "you are with us or with them" speech... Nato/US drone attacks on civilians in Pakistan have been happening since 2007 and have gone up expo-nationally under obombers presidency. Pakistan in its current state is in total turmoil from domestic terrorists blowing up airports, buses, hospitals etc - and the motivation these people have is the backing of the Pakistani elite give to Nato/US in its "war on terror".... some would argue the war itself is terror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cje001 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 Yet the fact science has come so far it hasn't disproved much of religion at all, infact, a lot of archeological finds have actually uncovered more pointing to stories in the bible having happened.. Another thing though is that science has still never been able to answer the question why, surely you have to realise that a higher power must be in existance(regardless of whether you believe in a god) for us/earth/galaxy/universe/space/time to be here. Ask any qualified and respected scientist/astrologist whether god exists and they will never say no I have a very open mind and happy to see other peoples views on anything, but people cannot completely deny things that they have not yet fully understood (be it conspiracies or religion) 'Ask any qualified and respected scientist/astrologist whether god exists and they will never say no ' Really? (honestly dont know as i dont know any, and i`m very surprised by this) Ok - can all Religions be correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Ironically, it's the people that don't believe in God or an afterlife, but do right in their lives and look after others that are the truely good people in the world. As they don't do it for reward, they understand that they won't get a big thank you and a seat next to the big man after death. They do it because they are in-builit with empathy and a moral compass that doesn't need reason or a selfish push to be good. I totally agree with that too; and considering how many others are also commending you, I'd like to know if you're prepared to sacrifice yourself for our sins, and become the new son of God? Just a thought. Start a Twitter account, and see how many 'followers' you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Agreed the debate has moved to several regions 1) Religon - is it at the heart of many of the worlds really bad moment, wars, terrorism etc 2) Governments - are they trusted (nope IMO) and do they act to fulfil their own/countries needs (well yes, thats what they are there for) The two are linked but my initial point was the starting point of these atrocities... NOT why are we still in Iraq but why did it start,,,, NOT who supported Hitler but why did it start... NOT did the US start Al Quada 40yrs ago or did they help with 911...but was Al Quada`s motives fuelled and guided by religion..... and these are all things YOU can find out for yourself with a little effort... but instead you would rather keep to the script the government is feeding you... how does the koolaid taste? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Pakistan in its current state is in total turmoil from domestic terrorists blowing up airports, buses, hospitals etc - and the motivation these people have is the backing of the Pakistani elite give to Nato/US in its "war on terror".... some would argue the war itself is terror. I really don't understand that logic but then I guess I wouldn't because I'm not a terrorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I've wasted enough time in the last religion/9-11 thread to repeat myself here. Always good to see a well reasoned response. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Ironically, it's the people that don't believe in God or an afterlife, but do right in their lives and look after others that are the truely good people in the world. As they don't do it for reward, they understand that they won't get a big thank you and a seat next to the big man after death. They do it because they are in-builit with empathy and a moral compass that doesn't need reason or a selfish push to be good. Yeah - I just don't understand the viewpoint that you have to believe in God to be a good person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Massacre of Iraqi Kurdish People by PMOI Which section were you referring to? how about reading the entire history section? or better still - the entire article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I really don't understand that logic but then I guess I wouldn't because I'm not a terrorist. well i guess you might end up taking some kind of revenge if your way of life was destroyed, your family killed etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 well i guess you might end up taking some kind of revenge if your way of life was destroyed, your family killed etc... I don't understand how killing your own people, the people who are already suffering the turmoil and their way of life destroyed etc will help 'fight the power' though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robzki Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Ironically, it's the people that don't believe in God or an afterlife, but do right in their lives and look after others that are the truely good people in the world. As they don't do it for reward, they understand that they won't get a big thank you and a seat next to the big man after death. They do it because they are in-builit with empathy and a moral compass that doesn't need reason or a selfish push to be good. Wow, thats an amazing sentiment, where did that come from? I couldn't have put it better myself, mainly because I'd never thought of it like that. You are my GOD now...off to spread the word....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Really? (honestly dont know as i dont know any, and i`m very surprised by this) Ok - can all Religions be correct? Yup, mainly because no-one has managed to disprove that a god exists, a scientist will not deny the existence of something he cannot prove doesn't exist and since no-one has managed to prove that a god does not exist, most scientists will not deny that there is a god. You might be surprised, but most religions believe in the same god, they just go about it in different ways. I could quite easily put them all together for a unified religion if anyones interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I don't understand how killing your own people, the people who are already suffering the turmoil and their way of life destroyed etc will help 'fight the power' though. horses for courses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 horses for courses. Oh. I never looked at it like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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