Charlotte Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Mass death is also taking place in countries such as afghanistan/iraq/pakistan/palestine/kashmir/sudan to name just a few... And if I was to speak about the same I would try to do so in a sensitive manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 There's no debate, as you're not bringing any facts to the table. you mean "facts" you don't like? see post: http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?247041-Are-people-totally-and-utterly-nuts&p=3122496&viewfull=1#post3122496 I've yet to see ANY sources of your "facts" you've been posting up this morning.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 And if I was to speak about the same I would try to do so in a sensitive manner. i don't think i was being rude or insensitive... if i came across that way - i apologise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 it's from the jews themselves. they would probably have a better understanding of zionism than you or me dont you think? In the same way as any muslim would be better placed to talk about the taliban and Al Qaeda? I think that's such a stupid sweeping generalisation - perhaps A jew has written some stuff on the website you linked to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 In the same way as any muslim would be better placed to talk about the taliban and Al Qaeda? I think that's such a stupid sweeping generalisation - perhaps A jew has written some stuff on the website you linked to. did you even read the link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 did you even read the link? I can't - it's blocked at work as 'alternative' - seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I can't - it's blocked at work as 'alternative' - seriously. ok well can i respectfully suggest you read it later and then we can carry on this debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cje001 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 Then why are they still in Iraq? They told the people in that country they would help them, instead they decided to build the pipeline and take out the oil, why can't they help countries like Africa?. If you actually cared they are usuing the soldiers in this country to cause a pathetic war, al Qaeda has nothing to do with religion if this was the case then why are all muslims not al Qaeda? As far as I still see it blame the government an blame the media. I think the point here about al Qaeda not having anything to do with religion is very misguided mate, its is the most fundamental extreeme view on muslim religion that there is. You are getting into a debate about other motives of choosing who to held and who not to.... Saddam Hussain killed thousands of Kurds based on religion ala Hitler.... yes i know the oil situation and agree with you BUT that isnt what i mean, i mean what the initial crime was. There are plenty of countries where religion plays a major role in civil wars and the US etc dont step in (prob due to lack of natural resources) but this isnt the point i`m making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 ok well can i respectfully suggest you read it later and then we can carry on this debate? I'll try and give it a read later. I suspect I've got confused as to what you are linking to (actual facts about Hilter and jewish 'support' or jews who are against that movement) - even so I will give it a read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cje001 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 that just made me LOL hard... no offence to you mate but you certainly need to wake up and realise what is really going on.... i'll sum it up for you 9/11 is an inside job al-qaida/taliban is a creation of the CIA Hitler had support from zionists (who obviously had their own agenda) - not overlooking the accusation (a pretty serious one) that his grandpapa was a rothchild. how about opening up some books, doing some research before blaming everything on "religion" .... way i see it, on this forum can read (allegedly), so- pickup a Bible/Quran/Torah or what ever else you feel illinformed about and educate yourself instead of relying on other peoples interpretations/assumptions etc.... I`ve read up on the consiracy theories of 911 and don`t buy them, no way would the US kill that many people on purpose, not a chance in my view, and yes i`ve read the lot, its convincing (melting point of steel, jet fuel, way the building fell, the other building that burned down for no reason) but anyone who can honestly say that 3000+ people were killed by their own govenment... well i just cant see it! Moon landings? Roswell? JFK? 'al-qaida' creation of the CIA? I dont think so somehow. NB: Was this a serious post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I think the point here about al Qaeda not having anything to do with religion is very misguided mate, its is the most fundamental extreeme view on muslim religion that there is. You are getting into a debate about other motives of choosing who to held and who not to.... Saddam Hussain killed thousands of Kurds based on religion ala Hitler.... yes i know the oil situation and agree with you BUT that isnt what i mean, i mean what the initial crime was. There are plenty of countries where religion plays a major role in civil wars and the US etc dont step in (prob due to lack of natural resources) but this isnt the point i`m making. just what do you know about the muslim religion mate? have you read their book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I`ve read up on the consiracy theories of 911 and don`t buy them, no way would the US kill that many people on purpose, not a chance in my view, and yes i`ve read the lot, its convincing (melting point of steel, jet fuel, way the building fell, the other building that burned down for no reason) but anyone who can honestly say that 3000+ people were killed by their own govenment... well i just cant see it! Moon landings? Roswell? JFK? 'al-qaida' creation of the CIA? I dont think so somehow. NB: Was this a serious post? is this a serious post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz1 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 is this a serious post? You can't win lol, TBH both parties views are correct, if hell is real I'm sure il pay a visit to most laughing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cje001 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 is this a serious post? Yes it was - do you care to comment on why the USA would kill 3000+ people knowingly? and No i havent read the qur'an but i know that Al Quada follow it to the extreeme and muslims dont see some of their points of view, they take it to another meaning, a new level (similar to this chap at the weekend) but that is the basis of there action - or do you disagree with this? Al Quada = Mormons... Over to you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz1 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Swing and a miss. Give and take . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 wow real intelligent... guess i should stick to debating with adults in future. It's not a debate, unless you start bringing some facts to the table. OBL publicly praised the attacks. He also spread messages of hate about the west. Wether or not he was directly behind the attacks is irrelevant, he was still a cause. The Jewish site you've chosen only represents a minority of Jews, hardly what I'd call neutral. And the points made about the west, odd how all of those can all be applied directly to Shiria law too. Our country may not be perfect, but it's a damned site better than much of the world. If you think we have problems, look at China, Pakistan, middle east, South America etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz1 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Yes it was - do you care to comment on why the USA would kill 3000+ people knowingly? and No i havent read the qur'an but i know that Al Quada follow it to the extreeme and muslims dont see some of their points of view, they take it to another meaning, a new level (similar to this chap at the weekend) but that is the basis of there action - or do you disagree with this? Al Quada = Mormons... Over to you.... Ok explain then when they clearly knew the attacks were going to take place months before, why was nothing done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mawby Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Ok explain then when they clearly knew the attacks were going to take place months before, why was nothing done? What would you have done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cje001 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 Ok explain then when they clearly knew the attacks were going to take place months before, why was nothing done? Mate i`m not really privy to the information and i agree (as already stated) that the 'information' about the attacks is somewhat distrubing - Knowledge of it - Building nearby blown up hours after (command centre) - CCTV from petrol station near Pentagon swipped by FBI - Hole in Pentagon was too small for plane, no damage to grass - Melting point of steel vs burning temp of jet fuel - way the building fell etc I know this but you arent answering my point.... why would they kill 3000+ people.... you have just turned it round to me and asked the same!!! My answer = I have no idea why, if they did know about it and it was an inside job they bloody hell i`ll be giving up on humanity right now! So - in your view Jazz1 why would they do this??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 you mean "facts" you don't like? see post: http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?247041-Are-people-totally-and-utterly-nuts&p=3122496&viewfull=1#post3122496 I've yet to see ANY sources of your "facts" you've been posting up this morning.... Ill gladly provide reliable sources for anything I've said, just let me know what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cje001 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 What would you have done? And a very good point. The only answer i came up with over the 'possible destruction of the twin towers' = the blew them up to stop the buildings falling on top of other buildings and totally detroying the area.... i.e a controlled explosion, the people in the top would die anyway so they got as many out as they could then.... 'pentagon' they shot the plane down, the thing that hit the building was a misile to make it look like the plane, reason = again preservation of life in the penatgon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Mate i`m not really privy to the information and i agree (as already stated) that the 'information' about the attacks is somewhat distrubing - Knowledge of it - Building nearby blown up hours after (command centre) - CCTV from petrol station near Pentagon swipped by FBI - Hole in Pentagon was too small for plane, no damage to grass - Melting point of steel vs burning temp of jet fuel - way the building fell etc I know this but you arent answering my point.... why would they kill 3000+ people.... you have just turned it round to me and asked the same!!! My answer = I have no idea why, if they did know about it and it was an inside job they bloody hell i`ll be giving up on humanity right now! So - in your view Jazz1 why would they do this??? How else can they get into Iraq/Afganistan/Pakistan and attempt Iran? 3,000 people killed (including my own colleagues!), compared to the 200,000 people killed in Iraq/Afganistan? Don't think the US is afraid to kill anyone, they can get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz1 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 What would you have done? Exactly what the intelligence force do, find the real terrorist. But why is it they can find the real extremist terrorist but allow the insiders like the 911 pass? Simple to create control and a new world order, the stupid war explains all. Why don't they create war in Ireland over the IRA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cje001 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 How else can they get into Iraq/Afganistan/Pakistan and attempt Iran? 3,000 people killed (including my own colleagues!), compared to the 200,000 people killed in Iraq/Afganistan? Don't think the US is afraid to kill anyone, they can get away with it. Hand on your heart - you honestly believe the USA government would not only know about the Al Quada attack but help by blowing up the towers for no other reason other then to invade Iraq/Afgh/etc.... The USA could have found an easier reason than that! Iran - nuclear weapons, lets use the old 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' line and invade with that reason... I just cant see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 exactly what the intelligence force do, find the real terrorist. But why is it they can find the real extremist terrorist but allow the insiders like the 911 pass? Simple to create control and a new world order, the stupid war explains all. Why don't they create war in ireland over the ira? wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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